Monday, 23 February 2015

COMPANY OF BURNING HEARTS - THE CARDIFF-BASED "NEW MYSTICS" OCCULT GROUP WEARING A "CHRISTIAN" MASK!

Note: This article, originally posted in September 2013, remains one of the most frequently accessed on the blog. It re-appears here following a re-edit due to a problem of illustrations failing to load. 

To most people here in Wales, if COBH means anything at all, it is just the name of a town in Ireland. But it is actually also the acronym of something much closer to home, and much more sinister: the Cardiff-based 'Company Of Burning Hearts.'

The 'Pioneer' network of churches, founded by Gerald Coates, has four adherents here in South Wales, one of which is called 'The Gap' in Cardiff. On their website www.thegapcardiff.co.uk there are just 4 links on their 'Community' page at the time of writing, one of which is to 'The Company of Burning Hearts, Cardiff.' This takes you to the blog of Justin and Rachel Abraham, who use this "ministry" name; COBH for short.

It's all occultism, occultism, occultism, presented in a pseudo-Christian sweet-wrapper! Any born-again believer with the tiniest pinch of discernment could see it immediately for what it is, yet here is a supposedly legitimate fellowship of Christians sporting a direct link to COBH and so obviously endorsing it! The Pioneer movement has always been questionable for its 'Restorationist' and 'Kingdom Now' theology, but one of their churches having a direct link to an occult group which communes with familiar spirits is something else again! A VERY eye-opening COBH blog entry for August 13, 2013 referenced their "visitation from the three national angelic beings over the Nation!"

(This reference to the "three national angelic beings" put me immediately in mind of Daniel's reference to the prince of Persia, the demonic being who withstood the angel who had been sent to him. Could this reported "visitation" be a confirmation that Wales has three such "territorial spirits'"assigned to it by the Enemy, to meddle in Welsh affairs and resist the work of God here?)

In any event, COBH people have no hesitation in falsely using the Name of Jesus to "authenticate" their most UN-Christian activities. It speaks volumes that two of their senior leadership team have a history of involvement with greatly deceptive "Christian" set-ups: Jane Schroeder, their 'lead intercessor' (and "an emerging prophetic voice in her own right") has a background in the apostate John Wimber's Vineyard movement. COBH boast of her that "she is a 'seer' and engages with the unseen world of angels and heaven, signs and wonders..." Enough said! Janine John spent nearly six months in Kansas City (false) Prophet, Mike Bickle's International House of Prayer (IHOP). COBH brag of her, "Janine carries the IHOP DNA with a Welsh Twist." Yes, 'twisted' is about right! IHOP is absolutely soaked in apostasy, error and demonic deception!


On September 7, 2013, COBH held their local monthly 'Engaging Heaven' meeting. What follows is Bro. Steve's very revealing first-hand report of his experience of this meeting:

Hi Rob.
I had wondered for a while what exactly these "Mystic" meetings were like that were being run by the likes of Justin Abraham and David Vaughan, so I went to their recent gathering at the Beacon Centre in St.Mellons on the 7th September:
When I arrived, the "worship" band were playing (or tuning up) while around 20 or so other people sat about in the seats or chatted while having a coffee. Already, I could see that some people (especially and most notably the women) were here for an experience, and not God's Word. There was a stange atmosphere in the room, and at times it felt quite uncomfortable, despite being normally a very relaxed and down to earth individual. It was quite un-nerving.
At 7:30pm Justin took to the front and welcomed everyone. He began to ramble about God's "squidgy" presence and talked about how he was planning on taking us "deeper" and "stretching us" spiritually with the message he had later on. It felt almost "cult-like" as he would talk to the crowd as if they needed to follow him in their spiritual journey, as he (from how he phrased things) had revelation, and insight that they did not have.
Shortly after, the band began to play "worship". However, all it sounded like was a mantra. Justin had said that the worship would be "without words" and for the most part I guess that was true. A constant, continual beat and music played while the two worship leaders at the front sang or should I say repeated a select few words over and over for upto 10mins at a time. Some of the words these singers were chanting included: "right in" "holy" "there is so much to see and experience in heaven" "spirit and truth" "I want to walk in revelation from on high" ...

By this time, many of the worshippers were swaying and jerking, with one woman in particular waving her hands in front of her as fast as she could (similar to if you were trying to cool yourself when you are hot)...This continued for 45 mins until Justin took to the stage and began his message.
Firstly, he was very quick to explain to the people there and stress many times that he had some kind of almost divine revelation that needed to be shared but was unsure if everyone there was ready to be "taken deeper" (whatever that means). It sounded totally un-Biblical and to me at least, almost "cult-ish" in its nature (that everyone should follow or believe what he said because he has had special revelation that others have not).
I tried to make notes as I went along (and in the process work through my Bible to compare what was being said to scripture). After only a few minutes I realised this was going to be a futile task as his was message was very incoherent in it's structure, lacking any real progression from one point to the next. At best it sounded like a huge mix of different thoughts, bizarre "divine" messages from "God", appeals for financial contributions (why people finance this individual is frankly beyond me), "supernatural" stories of other believers (which stem from occult practices), conversations with Biblical characters that had physically returned to earth, readings from un-Biblical sources (Book of Enoch), and surreal on-the-spot conversations with "God"...

Anyway...as I was saying...It became so incredibly difficult to even try and structure my notes comparing what was being said to scripture that within a few minutes I gave up due to the tsunami of utter nonsense being spouted. It really defied belief. As a result I will bullet point the bizarre quotes and statements he made in as much order as possible and you can see for yourself how far removed from the Gospel it actually is (you will see it is more occult than anything else):

JA: "People will be able to see through walls. One girl in Wales was able to see through a church wall" 

(as a side note, when I went to Glastonbury for research purposes on the occult, a man came up to me and said he could "see through me". The whole town is totally surreal with countless occult-like shops...so this here is already a sign of things to come from the meeting with JA)


Glastonbury: New Age capital of Britain!

JA: "I can change people's DNA with my voice"

JA: "Jesus is the prototype of this...he raised the dead, he was a mystic and could disappear."

JA went on to talk about how God planned to spread his "glory" to Mars and other planets.
JA also spoke about spending time with Enoch here on earth. He said he talked with him about the things of God (unbelievably he said this with a straight face!)
JA also said that "death is optional" as Enoch didn't die. He went on to state, and I quote "YOU DO REALISE THAT YOU ARE NOT HUMAN?!" (meaning those who are "Christians")...Implying that those who are saved don't have to die (physically).
JA said that "Jesus quoted the book of Enoch 25 times!" and then went on to read more from that than he did the Bible!
JA then went on to mis-use the verse where it talks about "a day unto the Lord is like a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day" (I paraphrased that-sorry) by saying that means some people in the beginning "only lived for one day" (meaning some kind of Adamic race)

Then....he began talking to "Jesus" like a spirit-medium would (check out "Most Haunted" and you will know what I mean)...

JA then suggested that "we won't die but will live all the way until the Millennium!!!"

He then re-iterated that "we are not human anymore"...

At this time he mentioned a friend of his called Ian Clayton who is another Mystic...you can find him on their blog and on Youtube. Apparently...according to JA, Ian Clayton can "travel through time" and regularly does so "to the USA where he spends time with a 250 yr old man". He has also "been hurt while time travelling to Iraq and helping a family over a wall escaping from a bomb"...and even more worryingly..."is able to change his shape (this is called shape-shifting) and recently time travelled to China where people didn't know he was British (as he had changed to a Chinese person)...

At this point, I got up and left. More worryingly I spoke to a guy outside who was involved in this movement and he even said that a lot of these people are regular church-goers who go to traditional churches. They are, according to him...regular "church people".

As I drove home...I prayed for the Lord to protect me from the things I heard. Bro. Rob...it was pure occultic teaching from start to finish. It worries me seemingly "normal" church goers are actually buying into all of this. The whole night was geared to things of the devil and many people are amazingly taking all of this nonsense in. Interestingly, and I cannot remember if I mentioned this...at the front while all of this was going on...a woman was painting something. I immediately noticed what it was...she was painting some Jewish scrolls and a candlestick like that found in Jewish times and feasts....but she was also painting a bird. I asked what the bird was because I recognised it. It was a phoenix. Straight out of the occult! She didn't even know what kind of bird it was but when I went home I googled it and I was right.

Please, please feel free to quote me on anything in this (Bro. Steve would be fine!)...use anything I have said and get this message out there brother! :)

Hope you are well and I'll speak to you soon.
God Bless,
Steve



"The Phoenix ... is believed to be a divine bird going back to Egypt ... This Phoenix destroys itself in flames and then rises from the ashes.  Most occultists believe that the Phoenix is a symbol of Lucifer who was cast down in flames and who they think will one day rise triumphant.  This, of course, also relates to the rising of Hiram Abiff, the Masonic 'christ'." [Bill Schnoebelen, quoted by Dr. Cathy Burns, 'Masonic and Occult Symbols Illustrated,' page 123). 

I am indebted to Brother Steve for his full permission to publish his most insightful and relevant report of this gathering of the Company Of Burning Hearts. Of particular concern is the comment made to him that a lot of COBH's supporters are "regular church people!" Can these "Christians" really not see past the mask? And lest you should think that in the wider world COBH would have little or no influence, you couldn't be more wrong: 3,000+ people 'like' them on Facebook! That's a rather large number of people in anyone's (Face)book!

"Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart."

(Jeremiah 14:14)

48 comments:

  1. Another good piece - these first-hand accounts are always the most helpful.

    One thing you could have added is that Justin Abraham and Dave Vaughan are closely linked to the dreadful John Crowder and Benjamin Dunn.

    Please remember that all this lot are strongly deluded and we must pray that the Lord will deliver them from the deception that they are in.

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    1. Thank you, Ian!

      It is my sincere hope and prayer that Brother Steve's detailed and very revealing account will help to deter the unsuspecting (believer and non-believer alike) from getting involved with this deeply Satanic movement! All these "New Mystics" are to be avoided like the plague that they are; just a little internet research on the likes of John Crowder and Benjamin Dunn will reveal their utterly abhorrent nature!

      And yes, we do need to pray for such as these, and also for those who in turn have been deceived by them!

      Best wishes, in His Name,
      Rob.

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    2. Dear Rob Hi Brother and Sisters.

      Time Travel? walking through walls? Holy Spirit Fire Tunnels? Thrashing around in the Holy Ghost, laughing hysterically, falling backwards,(the so called catchers still remaining standing?,what a load of New Age Mystic Satanic deceptions. God,is the God of complete order and control. If your out of control, then that is not of God. Yes, the gifts of the spirit are essential but Paul told the church everything should be done in order.

      I remeber listening to a dear man of God, Jacob Prasch of Moriel Ministries, stating a few years ago,that more and more people would be setting up home fellowships,due to the false doctrine of Demons infiltrating Churches. And he was so right. I just pray for the people who are under satanic control that they will be set free in Yeshuas name.

      God Bless in Yeshuas Mighty Name.


      Elaine jones

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    3. Hi Elaine!

      Yes, whichever way we turn these days, we seem to be confronted by a tidal wave of grotesque error, demonic deception and rampant apostasy! But Scripture warns us repeatedly of how things would be in the Last Days before our Lord's glorious return! This is the time of the great Falling Away, the wholesale abandonment of Truth. The world stands at the very edge of the abyss, and we know that this Falling Away must occur before the Man of Sin is revealed and the time of Tribulation begins. Seeing what is happening in the Church and in the world at large, we know that the hands on God's great timepiece are pointing to just a few minutes to midnight. And the clock is still ticking...

      Every blessing to you, sister!
      In the Name of the One who is soon coming as King of Kings,
      Rob.

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    4. This is no reply this is an observation based on your own presuppositions. You claim you are walking in discernment the only thing you are walking in is your own knowledge and five senses. Perhaps the Lord will lead you into his presence past the outer court where He Jesus did not judge with the seeing of the eye or hearing of the ear.

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    5. "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
      And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
      Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
      And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
      And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
      That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." (2 Thessalonians 2:7-12)

      In Jesus' Name,
      Rob.

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  2. I am so glad that someone has written this in depth observation. My daughter has been involved with this church online and with people who belong to it. Please pray for her as she is entranced by these people. She listens to their ministers and guest speakers especially Ian Clayton. I felt very uneasy about this Mystic movement from the start. My daughter seems very unstable now through adopting their beliefs. Please pray the Lord puts a stop to this movement and shuts the church down and that opens my daughters eyes to the errors and delivers her!
    In Christ
    Barbara

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    1. Hi Barbara!

      Thanks so much for getting in touch. I'm so sorry to hear of your daughter's involvement with COBH, and I will of course pray for her release from this horrible deception, and for your strength to deal with all this as a family. I can only imagine the anguish that it has caused.

      I hope and pray that more voices will be raised to expose this operation for the
      most evil and downright demonic deception that it is! May the Lord act mightily to remove the scales from the eyes of all those who have been blinded by the deluded leaders of this despicable movement, and for their doors to be closed and permanently sealed so that no more people will be drawn into and damaged by their deeply occult activities!

      Every blessing to you and yours, in Jesus' Name,
      Rob.

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  3. When you label the Vineyard movement 'apostate' I feel very sorry for you. Your powers of discernment are questionable. You seem to have acted (creating this site) before checking with the Lord if what you are publishing is actually doing His work or countering it? Have you ever asked the Lord and His Holy Spirit how God felt about these believers and other believers who differ drastically from you? It would surprise you that He loves them and is indeed leading them. If you are indeed called to judge/discern movements, then please make righteous judgments. I would that you temper your statements with Holy Spirit-sourced truth, understanding and love (1 Cor. 13). You may not realise of what spirit you are operating under! With due respect and brotherly love to you.

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    1. Hi!

      Thank you for your concerns about me, expressed and delivered in such an obvious attitude of "due respect and brotherly love!"

      Actually, I quite feel sorry for YOU! (Can't address you by name, as sadly your respect and brotherly love does not extend to giving me your name.) You see, I rather feel that YOUR powers of discernment are questionable! But I understand that, well, perhaps you may not realize of what spirit you are operating under...

      Perhaps some research into the Vineyard and John Wimber would be no bad thing? (After you've taken off the rosy-tinted glasses, that is!)

      In Jesus' mighty Name,
      Rob.

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    2. You must feel sorry because again you can only discern out of you carnal mind and five senses.

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    3. I do feel very sorry... FOR YOU, the recipient and defender of strong delusion!

      In Jesus' Name,
      Rob.

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    4. Paul to Timothy: "The servant of God must not strive"

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  4. Hi

    I am amazed by how little discerning comments there are about Ian Clayton - the guy Justin Abraham of COBH often refers. I have no personal knowledge of Justin Abraham but have sat through a full Ian Clayton conference in South Africa. What I can say is that there are many strange views espoused by this man. I will provide a few examples:

    Trading: At Ian's conferences when Ian says something that resonates with you instead of saying "amen" you scurry up to the front and drop money into a box (which presumably goes into Ian's pockets). In my spiritual discernment I find this weird. Wasn't the selling of blessings the very thing that Luther fought for in the reformation?

    Obsession with DNA and Genetics - A lot of his teaching is on Genesis and the first part of Genesis. He makes statements about how God wants us genetically pure. The Nephilim feature a lot all of which sets the foundation for some his weirder pronouncements.

    Mobile Telephone masts - They are part of an agenda to modify your DNA.

    Atlantis - It really exists under the ocean and the world's leaders go there for two weeks to be indoctrinated.

    The space program - exists to trade gold with Extra-terrestrial beings.

    Hypnotic compliance - Ian manages to get the entire room chanting what he says are Hebrew praises to God as per what he says is authentic Jewish worship. It feels very strange and in my view is no different to stage hypnotism.

    My prayer is that the truth will expose him and that the gospel that is so simple beautiful and profound will not become lost in this gnostic heresy.



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    1. Hi!

      Thank you for these notes on Justin Abraham's great friend, Ian Clayton.

      The things that these "New Mystics" are into quite defies belief, and yet they seem to have no shortage of support for their completely off-the-wall ideas!

      It is all New Age and gnostic teaching, and to be avoided at all costs! It has nothing whatsoever to do with true Christianity, and anyone with the tiniest pinch of discernment will avoid these "New Mystics" like the plague that they are! They all need to be thoroughly exposed for being the Satanic deceivers that they are!

      In Jesus' mighty and matchless Name,
      Rob.

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  5. Jeremy: I've been hosting 22 sermons of Ian Clayton on my website (Mike Connell Ministries), which are a matter of historical record, as he is a former member of our congregation, Baycity Outreach Center (in Hastings, New Zealand). He left the church about a year or so ago, along with a fairly substantial following. Noting the level of controversy here (which we're all well aware of), I've decided to unpublish all his sermons (including 4 videos on youtube/vimeo), but these can still be made freely available to anyone on request, for whatever purpose.

    Ian was originally saved out of a very strong occult background, so his walk has always been characterised by having one foot in the supernatural, so to speak, but since he has not been under Mike's 'covering' for some time, it's probably more appropriate to eventually transfer this content to his Son of Thunder website.

    I remember a few years back, he was having encounters in church where physical 'diamonds' (gems of the extra-mystic variety) were appearing in his hands as he worshiped - which is the kind of extraordinary sign/wonder that leaves others like myself thinking: hey, where's mine? Guess I need to 'push into God' a little harder? So for me personally, the fruit of all that has primarily been feelings of inferiority (easily shaken off), but there's no denying that he has a strong online following, who are very hungry for those kinds of stories. In fact his content has been consistenly popular according to google analytics, and I will miss the steady traffic.

    Note: Mike Connell provides a (completely free) series on the website called "Activating the Gifts of the Spirit" (training manual and 5 sermons), to encourage personal development in these areas, and I'm confident those materials will withstand the Scrutiny of the discerning gentlemen here.

    Jeremy Connell
    Mike Connell Ministries

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    1. Hi Jeremy!

      It's good to know that you've thought fit to delete the Ian Clayton archive from your site, though you don't seem to discern him as a deplorable heretic who preaches "another gospel" that is no Gospel at all! These "New Mystics" are thoroughly Satanic deceivers. Frankly, I find your comment more troubling than reassuring. A training manual and sermons on activating the "Gifts of the Spirit" is not something I would endorse, sir. "Signs & Wonders" is one of the great deceptions of our time; people need to get back to the Word of God, and hold to a sound Bible-based, not an unsound experience-based faith!

      In Jesus' mighty Name,
      Rob.

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    2. Jeremy Connell: A dodgy sermon here and there shouldn't rattle anyone that's properly grounded in the word. My interest is to keep everything accessible, free, and open for examination, so in that respect its actually quite counter-productive for me to just pull them, but a review of the hosting arrangements won't hurt. There's also a convention of not slagging off other christians, even if they are growing horns, so I'm trying to be as respectful and upbeat as possible.

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    3. Hi Jeremy!

      With all due respect, this is not an issue of "slagging off other Christians!" It is a matter of proper Biblical discernment and protecting people from false teaching. There's so much more involved here than the occasional "dodgy sermon," as Ian Clayton is a dangerous deceiver who is leading people astray and completely away from the true Gospel. He is not to be tolerated, but correctly exposed as a wolf in sheep's clothing!

      In Jesus' mighty Name,
      Rob.

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    4. Rob - your so-called 'discernment' has been tested, by waving some of the good grass under your nose (Shane Willard's material is also very good), revealing how quick you are to shoot your mouth off, beating your fellow workers in the name of Jesus. Who needs the Councillor, when we can just go to your blog? Let's not neglect our daytime 'tent-makers' calling - tents provide shelter.

      Jeremy Connell

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    5. Hi Jeremy!

      Your gracious, reasoned and eloquent responses tell me so much about where you're coming from, and who you uphold as "fellow workers!"

      Thank you for these very revealing comments.

      In Jesus' Name,
      Rob.

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  6. Don't you ever wonder why the things that the occult does is bad though? Like why is "time traveling" strictly an occult practice or "walking through walls" "seeing through people"? Satan can't create he can only take what God created and twist it. we are able to control our DNA, we are made up of matter and we do blink in and out of existence that's what quantum physics teaches us. Faith and science go hand in hand. I understand that the teachings of Ian Clayton sound extremely far fetched, but those guys are only promoting the love of Jesus and that's really the most important thing and inviting the Holy Spirit, so they aren't doing anything wrong. Just because you don't agree with a teaching doesnt mean there isnt truth to it because it's the kind of teachings so many Christians have never heard before so it is uncomfortable because we like to stay stuck in a religious box. In God ALL things are possible and all means everything, all is good which is infinitely good.
    The high priests were able to transrelocate through the curtain into the heavenly realm once a year and once Jesus died on the cross and the curtain ripped, we now all have the ability through relationship with Jesus to step into the kingdom realm whenever. The kingdom realm means heaven. Don't live life strictly by what the bible says, take what the scriptures say litterally and metaphorically and meditate on them. The bible is just a small amount of information that our creator has given us. There are so many more questions and mysteries to our universe. Stay open minded and don't pass things off, that's one of the most ignorant things a person can do.

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  7. These guys aren't doing anything wrong? I beg to differ!

    You can choose Bible-based Christianity and follow the True Jesus, or you can choose extra-Biblical Gnosticism and follow a false "Jesus." I choose the former. You would be well advised to do likewise, rather than paying heed to seducing spirits!

    In Jesus' mighty Name,
    Rob.

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    1. Why would seducing spirits want to glorify Jesus and talk about Jesus? How is any of this satanic? Satan wants to kill and destroy. None of their teaching seems to keep people strayed away from Jesus. Nn Fact, most of the teaching seems to point right to the love of Jesus...love of the father.

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    2. Hi Tyler!

      Sadly, the use of the name of Jesus is no authentication whatsoever of COBH's activities. 2 Corinthians 11:4 refers to such as these, who preach ANOTHER Jesus, and receive ANOTHER spirit and ANOTHER gospel.

      Theirs is not the True Jesus, but a counterfeit, and it is this false "Jesus" who they glorify.

      The consequences of following a different "Jesus" and (mis)using the name are terrible indeed. May I refer you to Matthew 7:21-23?

      The mysticism of groups like COBH is essentially a contemporary resurgence of Gnosticism. It is a terrible deception indeed, and I would urge you to very seriously re-consider your support for them! Seek out the Jesus of the Bible, and reject the bogus "Jesus" of men like Justin Abrahams and Ian Clayton.

      In the mighty Name of the Real Jesus,
      Rob.

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  8. Galatians 1 v 8...................Carl

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    1. Thank you, Carl, for this most relevant of Scriptures!

      I can only say 'Amen!'

      Every blessing, in Jesus' Name,
      Rob.

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  9. I believe that we are living in times where it is so important to be based in truth and in the bible. God is supernatural and all power and Jesus performed miracles and healings etc that is all documented.I believe that what is being preached by ministers that endorse shape shifting, reptilian DNA, interplanetary travel and even being able to create your own galaxy is just total deception and dangerous to say the least. I know many people that are being caught up in this and it is tragic they are being deceived and are moving into dangerous spiritual territory. May the Lord open the eyes of those who are following this and re align them to the truth of Jesus Christ

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    1. Thank you for this pertinent comment!

      We were warned that "perilous times" would come, and those times have arrived, big time! I can only echo your prayer that the Lord would open the eyes of those people so deceived, while there is still time, before the promised "strong delusion" gives them over to their preference for the Satanic lie rather than the Truth of God!

      Best wishes, in Jesus' mighty Name,
      Rob.

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    2. I hope I am open minded to the ways and character of God: 'My ways are not your ways, nor my thoughts your thoughts'. I was reading Luke earlier and thought about how mind blowing it must have been for Mary to have the Angel Gabriel appear to her, then after that shock to be told she would be made pregnant by the Holy Spirit and then that she would give birth to the Son of God and then be given a prophesy regarding his life and how her heart would be pierced. Just this one passage of Scripture is truly astonishing and 'other wordly' it bears no resemblance to my hum-drum stressed experience of life trying to be a hard working faithful husband hold a marriage together put a roof over our heads, food on the table and with all my heart teach my kids to know Gods Love and to love Him with all their hearts. Despite the lack of physical evidence and my lack of a similar supernatural Angelic encounter I have believed that passage of the Bible along with every other one in Scripture ever since God opened my eyes to believing He actually exists and over-powered my heart with His Love. The Bible is abundantly supernatural from cover to cover. In fact there's not much in the Bible that isn't supernatural or 'other wordly'. I believe the Church is made up of many different believers - I don't believe the only people going to Heaven are Methodists or Pentecostals or the Brethren or C of E or Charismatics or Catholics or Baptists or Mystics etc I believe in obeying what Jesus simply says: 'Believe in Me' and 'Take Up Your Cross Daily and Follow Me'. Religion is man made rules its all baloney, God says in His Word what He accepts as true religion. The Holy Spirit is more than capable of policing Christ's Church and by the way a respectful word to all Pastors including the likes of Ray Bevan - its His Church not mine and not yours so lets be respectful of one another because Christ will call us all to account for how we have treated each-other - especially those in authority. Yes the Bible warns there will be a falling away of believers in the last days and that the love of most in the church will grow cold towards God and eachother. We may be witnessing the beginning of this right now because we revere and love God and eachother these days so poorly. God has sent the Holy Spirit out for the past 2000 years into the highways and byways to call in the unlikeliest of us into His Kingdom so we must be careful not to judge one another for fear of condemning Gods own people. Jesus says 'Love one another as I have loved you' and also 'Forgive as you have been forgiven'. He also teaches us to do good works and if we are doing all He actually teaches then surely that should be enough to fill everyday of our lives so we are living fruitful lives for Him. I am wary of teachings that are self focussed and teach us to indulge ourselves because this is not what Christ teaches us at all. He isnt indulgent or self-serving but teaches us to be focussed on God and others - not ourselves. We must be wise as serpents but innocent as doves. Lord I pray you will lead all your people into living in Your Light and Truth and may we learn to better love and care for eachother and the things that are important to You.

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  10. Hello Rob,

    Here is my take on this Ian Clayton business. First of all, when I first discovered Ian Clayton online, I believed him. Which surprised me, because when you think about it, his claims sound ridiculous. But, I watched a few of his videos with an open mind, especially when he pointed out times in the Bible when people were transported miraculously, even Jesus did it. And Jesus did tell us in His Word that we would do greater things than He did while He was here on earth.

    Anyway, after watching several of Ian Clayton's videos, I began to notice that he rarely quotes from the scriptures or gives references as to where in the Bible he gets his ideas. AND many times when he does tell a Bible story or what book in the Bible the story may be, he gives the wrong book or takes things out of context or even changes the story to fit what he is talking about.

    Also, notice how, every once in a while, he will make sounds. These sounds are just "out of the blue". In one of his videos he commented on the sound he had just made, claiming that he is a man and has to make sounds sometimes because he gets tired of speaking English all the time. What?! My guess, especially after reading that he was once deeply involved in the occult, is that he has a demon or two that need to be removed. He may be under demon influence.

    On another note, Rob, thank you for addressing this subject on Ian Clayton. I am glad to find someone else who will speak up and bring attention to this fake for the protection of others being mislead.

    Also, I will try to say this as gently as I can, but Rob you need to learn to be more subtle and loving. Your response to Jeremy Connell (17 June 14) was harsh. He gave you credit for bringing to his attention the truth about Ian Clayton and said he had removed Clayton's videos from their site, etc. BUT you, instead of saying you were proud of him for doing so or that he did a good thing, you bash him for basically being ignorant (ignorant, as in just doesn't know, not stupid). Did you even notice at the end of his message that he called you a gentleman?

    This whole paragraph (copied and pasted below), with the exception of half of the first sentence is just rude. You come off as pious, not a Christ following Christian. Where is the love of Christ?

    Rob: "It's good to know that you've thought fit to delete the Ian Clayton archive from your site, though you don't seem to discern him as a deplorable heretic who preaches "another gospel" that is no Gospel at all! These "New Mystics" are thoroughly Satanic deceivers. Frankly, I find your comment more troubling than reassuring. A training manual and sermons on activating the "Gifts of the Spirit" is not something I would endorse, sir. "Signs & Wonders" is one of the great deceptions of our time; people need to get back to the Word of God, and hold to a sound Bible-based, not an unsound experience-based faith!"

    The messaging between you two went down hill from there.

    On 19 May 2014, you responded to Anonymous rather harshly when he or she said something you didn't like. Rob, if you are going to sign at the end of your posts "In Jesus' Mighty Name" or anything with His name, please take notice that He is right there. He sees and hears and knows your thoughts and feelings and behavior. If you are going to claim to know Him, maybe it would be a good idea to act more like Him. I really don't think Jesus would have responded in the manner that you did to either of the persons I just mentioned.

    If my message offended you, I'm sorry. That was not my intent. I merely wanted to make it known to you how you come across when someone doesn't say what you want to hear. It's not pretty. :(

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    1. Hi!

      Thank you for your comment.

      I honestly do not think I was being particularly harsh or rude to Mike Connell, but you are certainly entitled to your opinion, which I respect. (I sure felt that he was being rude and sarcastic to me!)

      May I just say that it's really not an issue of people not saying something I want to hear. It's an issue of evaluating what is being said in light of Scripture and sound doctrine and practice.

      In terms of exactly how I respond, it's all been a sharp learning curve, to try and keep a proper balance in these things. I fully accept that I've a long way to go in acting more like Jesus (in all areas of my life!) - such is the life-long process of sanctification! No offence taken.

      Best wishes in Jesus,
      Rob.

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  11. No response necessary to my message. I most likely will not be back here. I just found you because I was looking for info on Ian Clayton. Thanks for the help.

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      Best wishes in Jesus,
      Rob.

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  12. Talk about the age old spirit of religion....Rob is most certainly in full display of its manipulative works..."having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof"...I wonder what you would think of Yahshua when He performed miracles,hmmmm...you come off as one of the same type that crucified Him,the likes of the Scribes and Pharisees. You are a typical candidate of those entrapped by the demon of Religion,the type that refuse to think beyond your limited thought capacity...begin to worship God with your whole heart and spirit,not your limited intellectual capacity,stop putting YAHWEH in your 'little box',break free from your 'religious ideologies' and let your spirit man rise. Ask the Holy Spirit to teach you about Sonship and break the curse of the Orphan Spirit.
    The greatest gift known to humankind is to accept, receive and walk in the love of the Father, who so loved the world that He gave His only Son so that we may not perish, or waste our lives away, but experience the abundant life that only our Divine Father can give.
    I encourage you to walk in LOVE, not as a self appointed judge...see your fellowmen and women just as Abba Father sees the murderer,rapist,thief and ALL kinds of people rejected by a judgmental society. Yahshua said ' A new commandment i give unto you,that you love one another as i have loved you,by this shall all men know that you are My disciples'
    Ask the Holy Spirit (The Spirit of Truth) to help you deal with your obvious insecurities ,let Him help you overcome your Identity Crisis and set you free from the chains of bondage that Religion has held you captive in..."Oops - sorry if i dented your ego,you'll get over it when the Love of Christ overtakes your hardened and judgmental heart
    Yahshua Loves You toooooooo ;-)

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    1. Hi! Thanks for your comment. It really does say more about you than about me, though. I do find it somewhat ironic and indeed quite amusing that you think I have obvious insecurities and an identity crisis to overcome, when I put my name to everything while you mask yourself with safe anonymity! Ironic also that the love you encourage me to walk in is so conspicuously absent in what you've written here!

      In Him,
      Rob.

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  13. Hi, I've just been to Days of Wonder 2016 held by COBH and I was greatly blessed in many ways. I'm 66 years old, a Christian of more than 35 years time spent in the Word and walking closely with the Trinity and a part of a local church.
    I understand that the way they worship and much of what they say may seem extreme , unbiblical and on the edge of occultic practices but we have been given the gift of discernment through the the Holy Spirit and we can use it freely. Let's not judge too harshly what we don't understand and , as in all things, judge them by their fruit. Gill

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    1. Hi Gill!

      Truth is, much of what they say and do doesn't just SEEM extreme and unbiblical - it IS extreme and unbiblical! They are not on the EDGE of occultic practices - they are deeply involved IN occultic practices!

      It really isn't an issue of judging harshly - it is a matter of seeing things for what they really are. With all due respect, if you were truly exercising God-given discernment, you would run as far away from these people as fast as you can! Their fruit is deadly, and evil to the core!

      In Him,
      Rob.

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  14. Hi ive never posted like this before ,iam researching cobh because a fried of mine sent a teaching video of justin a ....there was a section where he talked of davids dance before the LORD as a blood trance ...david covered with the blood of the sacrificed bulls spinning on and on ....it was wrong ...it sounded like baal worship or voodoo practices..the jews were very respectful of blood and and were and are very particular in how they deal with it ....from hearing this i have been listening to these bizzar teachings on line and the bombardment of scientific ! Terms and spiritual special knowledge ...i have experience of hearing from GOD and my sister was healed by HIM ...i am a bible believing christian who is very open for GOD to be GOD ..and rejoices in life ...but this is strange stuff that leaves me disorientated ...it needs the most intensive scrutiny .....much love m

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    1. Hi, and thanks for writing in with your info and observations!

      COBH has nothing to do with Christianity. It is thoroughly occult in nature, deep darkness masquerading as light, a most dangerous spiritual deception. COBH and its mystical religiosity is to be avoided at all costs!

      Very best wishes in Him,
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  15. Hi Rob,

    I only stumbled across this blog spot tonight while searching "false teachers". You are 100% correct in everything you have written. I attended Bay City Outreach in NZ when Ian was there. The first time I heard him teach (for want of a better word) my spirit cringed. I discerned immediately that he was a false teacher. I told a friend the same day what I had discerned and she agreed that Ian was "bad news". When he gave sermons he would sound angry and frequently request validation from the congregation about what he was saying. Furthermore, he had an awful sarcastic tone that grew more intense when he thought people weren't coming into agreement with him. He often twisted scripture to suit his agenda -- usually out of context, and his old ties to the occult were obvious. When he was made redundant from Bay City Outreach along with a few other pastors -- it was a huge relief for me and several others. Good riddance to a false teacher and all his deceived followers. You are NOT MISSED! Rob, may you be richly blessed for having the courage to write TRUTH :-)

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    1. Hi, and thanks so much for getting in touch!

      A false teacher indeed, and I'm very grateful to receive your personal testimony of this, born of first-hand experience and Godly discernment. Worrying indeed that he can travel the world and deceive many with his counterfeit "Christianity." It's clear that he has never left occultism behind, but uses it now to present a different gospel that is no gospel at all.

      Thanks again for taking the time to write in, and for your very welcome support!

      With very best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  16. ETW (End Time Warrior)2 October 2017 at 02:48

    Hi Rob :0)

    (you are welcome)

    Of concern, is the large number of Christians who quickly and easily believe in what these false teachers are preaching. I can clearly see how many Christians will be deceived in these end times. From my perspective, there are many authentic teachers who speak biblical truth - however we don't hear so much about them as they don't make themselves known all over the internet and they don't seek self-glory, fame and fortune from ministry. I have encountered many wonderful and anointed teachers over the course of my life, and I have been guided by the Holy Spirit as to their authenticity as a teacher of the Word. Godly teachers have a gentle, yet authoritative spirit and everything they say is backed up with Scripture in the RIGHT context. Anger, sarcasm, seeking validation and applause from the congregation, conversing about tithes and offerings at every opportunity, Constantly seeking the bigger/better church with expensive equipment etc., -- is NOT authentic, nor Godly. All I see these days, are churches/pastors competing with each other to be the biggest, wealthiest and most well-known. What's more, success to them is being seen travelling the globe, speaking here and there and becoming known by many -- and then telling everyone about all of that. I've also noticed that many of these travelling teachers say they have raised several people from the dead, however this is never evidenced. Certainly, any pastor/teacher who aligns themselves to other teachers who I believe are 'false', are teachers I stay well clear of: For example, Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn, Joseph Prince, Joyce Meyer, Kenneth Copeland, and Ian Clayton to name a few (far too many to mention here). Thankfully Kenneth Hagin can no longer 'teach' -- he was 'false teacher number 1' in my opinion. We are in the last days folks...and I believe that we are called to action more than ever before. We need to put on our full ARMOUR as soon as we get out of bed each morning, put Satan under our feet (crushing him all the way to the bathroom), praying continually for wisdom, courage and guidance in how we are to equip ourselves and others for what's ahead. God wants Christians to rise up with courage and boldness and help bring in the harvest -- bravely witnessing to people and sowing seeds of God's truth into them at every opportunity. It's urgent! Bible prophesy is being fulfilled continually -- and Bible prophesy is 100% accurate 100% of the time. Thus, when Rob and others warn Christians about so-called false teachers -- take notice! This new age garbage that has infiltrated the globe is NOT new -- it's just redressed/repackaged old-age occult that has existed since the beginning of time. God gave me a powerful Word in 2014 when I cried out to Him in prayer about end time prophesy -- He spoke loud and clear in my spirit "Nothing is what it seems". I asked Him to show me what He meant, and He showed me many things about the world and what's to come...building upon what I already knew. He showed me the hidden symbolism in things and these mean, the traps and snares of the enemy that is so wide-spread, and especially how people become deceived. I urge you to ask the Lord about everything you are not sure of, and especially about who is a false teacher and who is not -- He will answer you in a unique way that you will personally understand. Being a Christian is not about saying what you think others want to hear -- it's about sharing God's truth...His Word -- and stepping out and taking the risk to share what needs to be said, even if you think you may be attacked for it.
    (NZ spelling used here :0)

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    1. Hi ETW, and many thanks for this.

      Your words speak succinctly into the situation we are seeing on a global level, where ear-tickling is the order of the day and sensual experience has eclipsed the faithful preaching of the Word. It is the great Falling Away from Truth that we were warned would happen in the Last Days as the precursor to the emergence of Antichrist. We either stand with the Light, or we fall with the night.

      With very best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  17. As much as I am keenly hungry for more of the Lord, and all the glories we have not yet partaken of IN HIM . . there is so much going on in His name, that barely mentions Him from the breathe of deep relationship to the Holy God.

    There is a REDIRECTED FOCUS, upon man centered and supernatural things, that the message does not direct the listener of the modern 'mystics' as they call themselves - to Christ, and Him crucified.

    What I have found God focusing on these past years, is a deep walk with Him that hears His voice, usually dismantling the old man, and showing me where Christ would have me change and walk and be and think, so as to be in and of Him truly, through and through. I don't hear any of what I hear in my closet. And in my closet, I don't hear any of what I hear them speaking.

    The true gospel is Christ centered, Christ focused, focused not on what supposedly ice cream sundae dishes he is tickling us with today. Jesus never came across that way! IN fact, when they were following Him simply because He did miracles among them, (the loaves and fishes and healing miracles), Jesus snuck out at night time and ran away from them all!

    And so Has Jesus changed? Has His message and call suddenly changed to fit a thirst to be 'super' beings? Hey, don't you remember that Satan's original temptation was to offer mankind a supernatural upgrade to their own god status, a super human! It's the same tempter, same guy, same line. Just spelled out more in living color for todays audience.

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    1. Hi Kelly!

      Well said, indeed. The True Gospel cuts to the quick, not tickles our soulish itches! The True God is not found through this modern mysticism, which is just a re-birth of Gnosticism, its practices occultism to the core, but through the unadulterated, utterly uncompromising Word. Mysticism is not a path to the Father of the Trinity, but to the father of lies who, as you so rightly say, is still throwing out the same old line. Not much has changed since Eden...

      With very best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  18. Thank you for posting this. A friend sent me a audio message from company of burning hearts. Within minutes I turned it off. I do want to say that we need to check everything with the word. Holy Spirit and the gifts are God given, Biblical, and essential. But this COBH is the "other Jesus" "other gospel" Paul spoke of. It is counterfeit and extremely dangerous. We need the Holy Spirit to do what the Bible says we are called to do. Holy Spirit will always agree with and uphold scripture and point you back to Jesus Christ! I also would like to say that the book of Enoch is a good historical resource that confirms scripture and is quoted in the book of Jude. I don't hold it as authoritative as the rest of the Bible though. The way JA uses the book of Enoch is rediculous. The mention of Atlantis is totally occult! I can't remember what satanic society has a book on it (the Mason's or something) but they do. We need to pray for the genuine God loving people caught up in this deception.

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    1. Hi Heather and Tim!

      Many thanks for writing in with your pertinent observations about the Company of Burning Hearts, which as you so rightly say is counterfeit and extremely dangerous. Justin Abraham and his co-deceivers are presenting occultism as legitimate Christianity, a snare to the unsaved and undiscerning believers alike. We all have such an urgent need to test the spirits; we do indeed have a very great need to check absolutely everything against the Scriptures!

      With very best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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