Thursday, 2 April 2015

RIVERCAMP LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE, MAY 2015, WITH BILL JOHNSON, THE RESTORATIONIST AND DOMINIONIST DECEIVER - ELIM'S DEADLY EMBRACE OF LYING SIGNS AND WONDERS.

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears."
(2 Timothy 4:3)


Bethel Church in Redding, California, is an extraordinarily powerful, Signs and Wonders-fueled bulldozer. And "Apostle" Bill Johnson is its utterly reckless driver. Man and machine are at the very forefront of pushing forward the heavily contaminated soil of Restorationism and Dominionism, effectively covering up both sound doctrine and sanity in a supposed reclaiming of our "Christian" inheritance, and the building of Heaven on Earth... a "Heaven" which in reality has a far greater resemblance to Hell!
Bill Johnson's Bethel has either itself initiated, or otherwise embraced and promoted some of the most grievous errors and deceptions to be found in what passes for evangelical Christianity today, and it cannot be stressed enough that Senior Pastor Bill Johnson is one of the most dangerous End-Times deceivers around!

Yet in their infinite lack of wisdom, and having scattered any last remaining particles of discernment to the four winds, this is the man who Elim, as represented by their Metropolitan West Region, has seen fit to be the key player in their RIVERCAMP LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE 2015 on May 18th - 19th at Ealing Christian Centre.

Bill Johnson has sung the praises of - and flaunted his involvement with - the likes of the great "seed-faith" scam merchant Oral Roberts and Word of Faith colossus and convicted multi-million dollar church funds embezzler David Yonggi Cho, who he has called "amazing." He calls the likes of the appalling "New Mystic" John Crowder, and the fake healer and adulterer Todd Bentley of Lakeland infamy, his friends; in fact he was one of the men who saw fit to "restore" Bentley to ministry, so he could continue to massively inject his poison, particularly into the spiritual bloodstream of Africa. Consider this video quote of his buddy John Crowder, if you will, as he kneels at the grave of John Alexander Dowie, a most notorious forerunner of all that is false in the "Church" today:


"We've just come to the grave today to release to you an impartation of healing revival, of city-building restoration, city-taking anointing, master-building apostolic anointing, and so we just rip it right out of the ground, we just suck it right off his dead bones, in Jesus' name, and loose it to you, a healing, revival glory, master-building, apostolic anointing glory!"
(Source: https://youtu.be/AbrHAFAwSc4 )

This is the sick practice known as grave-sucking, very popular with students of the Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry, such as those here seen on a mission trip to Loughor in South Wales, engaged in sucking up Evan Roberts' anointing from his grave! If this picture doesn't absolutely horrify you...



What have we come to when such things are unquestioningly accepted in evangelical circles? What has Elim here in the UK come to, when necromancy is a "normal" practice of young people at the church led by the man who they are delighted to have as main speaker at a Leadership Conference of theirs? Is not something terribly, terribly wrong here?

The sad fact is that Elim has been on a slippery slope for many years now. Its dramatic downward spiral can be traced back at least as far as the so-called Toronto Blessing of the 1990s, in reality one of the most grievous curses ever to have been inflicted on the Faith. Instead of denouncing it as a thoroughly Satanic deception, Elim leaders like Colin Dye and Wynne Lewis wholeheartedly embraced and endorsed its demonic drunkenness, and effectively partnered with this alien spirit emanating from the pit of Hell! And it is this selfsame lying spirit which has continued to wreak havoc to this day, mutating and mushrooming along the way, manifesting itself through some of Charismania's choicest front-men, like Todd Bentley and his champion, the discernment-devoid, Dominionist and Restorationist, "anything goes" Mr. Bill Johnson. The damage done to genuine, Bible-based Christianity has been incalculable. And Elim, regrettably but undeniably, have been and continue to be complicit in fanning the flames of this "strange fire."

The Gospel is Good News. Johnson's Bethel is exceedingly bad news! Fire tunnels, wind gusts, gold fillings and gold dust, glory clouds and angel feathers, "inner healing" and grave-sucking, waking up sleeping angels and using tuning forks for prophetic purposes (no, I don't know how either!) are just some of the ingredients bubbling away in Bethel's big cauldron of counterfeit Christianity.

Let's say it as it is. The type of practice and experiential religiosity of Johnson's Bethel Church in Redding, is indistinguishable from that of the NEW AGE movement.  Which is, quite simply WITCHCRAFT, just re-branded and re-marketed with a more palatable identity. This is as serious as it gets, my friends. 

Moreover, Bill Johnson teaches that Jesus did not become Christ until his baptism, having laid His divinity aside. In other words, when He was born of Mary He was not Jesus Christ come in the flesh, just Jesus of Nazareth. Concerning such a denial, 1 John 4:1-3 affirms that this is the spirit of antichrist! Furthermore, Johnson claims that Jesus Himself had to be born again! (Which means that our Saviour Himself had to be saved, or otherwise be condemned to Hell!) Please read and heed this direct warning from the Word of God concerning such renegades as Bill Johnson:

"Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; 
AND AVOID THEM."
(Romans 16:17) 


P.S. Cost of this 2-day event? Sixty quid no less! Sixty shiny, silver pound coins. That's thirty pieces of silver a day... Now, where have I come across that before...?

The 'S.S. Elim' at full steam...

Further reading and viewing:

A page of links to relevant articles and videos can be found at:

My recent article on Bethel SOZO "inner healing" can be found at:
http://watchman4wales.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/sozo-in-uk-inner-healing-or-simply.html

32 comments:

  1. This is absolutely horrifying Rob. The "pastor" of Trinity Life Church in Leicester recommends "Jesus Culture". Are they out of their minds? The Assemblies of God are not much better than Elim! God bless Treena

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    1. Hi Treena!

      What I have difficulty getting my head around is that there is no outcry of horror at such things! We are surely in the time of the great Falling Away, when such apostasy as this is not only tolerated, but gleefully fostered and feted by "Church" leaders and those they are leading (astray). These are terrible times indeed, filled with folly and madness, and things are only getting worse and worse...

      "The lips of a fool will swallow up himself. The beginning of the words of his mouth is foolishness: and the end of his talk is mischievous madness."
      (Ecclesiastes 10:12-13)

      Every blessing to you, and keep on contending on your excellent blog!
      In Jesus' mighty Name,
      Rob.

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    2. Actually, there are plenty of people in the church who are deeply saddened by things like this.

      Treena pointed out that AoG and Elim are similar. That's to be expected as they are both pentecostal denominations. So let me ask a hard question - why is there so much heresy and corruption within pentecostalism? Well, all pentecostals have a common origin (Azusa Street) and common beliefs. So why do they welcome heretics?

      Pentecostals needs people who can supposedly validate their beliefs about spiritual gifts, signs, wonders, and revivals. But these beliefs are false, and can only be put into practice using lies, deception (including self-deception) and manipulation. People who are good at this rise to the top and become leaders. And anyone like that is not going to care about sound doctrine.

      In other words, the foundations of pentecostalism are crooked, and it is impossible to build anything upright on them.

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    3. Hi Ian!

      Thanks for your comment. You are of course a cessationist, whereas I'm not, and we've exchanged views on this previously. Heresy, corruption etc.are to be found everywhere, not just in historical Pentecostalism, I'm sure you'll agree. Charismania has distorted the things of God out of all recognition. But the sheer fact that the Enemy goes to such lengths to counterfeit the gifts is in itself a testimony to the reality of the gifts, as he is only able to copy, not create; a counterfeit by its very nature can only exist if the real thing does also!

      Best wishes, in Jesus' Name,
      Rob.

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    4. Hi Rob,

      I never said that the rest of the church was perfect. But you will find vastly more heresy and corruption in pentecostalism than in any other part of the evangelical church. For example, I've never seen cessationists engaged in "grave-sucking", preaching a prosperity gospel, giving false prophecies, or using hypnotic manipulation to make people think they are healed. Cessationists do not constantly have to invent new unbiblical teachings to keep their followers attention. And the number of high-profile pentecostals who have had some sort of scandal (typically sex or money) is huge. You just don't get that in the rest of evangelicalism. Pentecostalism attracts bad theology and bad morality like nothing else in the church.

      And, if you investigate how pentecostalism began, you realise that the people responsible (like Parham and Seymour) were themselves charlatans. Your "continuationist" beliefs originated not with reputable theologians, but religious showmen - the Benny Hinns of that period. It's a bit like appointing Nick Leeson and Bernie Madoff as your financial advisers!

      Did you know that the belief in modern-day spiritual gifts was historically viewed as totally wrong? It produced exactly the same concerned reaction from evangelicals 100 years ago as Bill Johnson's "grave-sucking" does from you today! They dismissed it as total heresy, far outside the boundaries of Biblical christianity. It's only because of the sheer weight of numbers that it has become acceptable in recent years.

      I hope and pray you'll take these things to heart, and consider not just what you believe, but why you believe it.

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    5. Hello Ian!

      I rather thought you'd reply along these lines. I have no desire to get into a fruitless exchange of opposing views over cessationism. The Enemy takes huge pleasure I'm sure in driving in such wedges, dividing and polarizing. Those who believe the gifts have ceased, and those who believe they have not, so easily both fall into the trap of of spiritual pride, each thinking they know better than those in the opposing camp. We can all so, so easily fail to prioritize on the "more excellent way" as outlined by Paul in 1 Corinthians 13. We see through a glass darkly. Full understanding is yet to come, something we all would do well to remember, and be humble before the Lord who alone is omniscient and knows and understands everything!

      Best wishes, in His Name,
      Rob.

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    6. So Rob, why then do you believe that miraculous gifts are available today? I would genuinely like to know...

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    7. Hi Ian!

      I partially answered, with the observation that Satan cannot counterfeit something which doesn't exist in reality. But from a more personal than observational perspective, I could testify to the gifts from personal experience. I am not at all a person who goes around giving "a word" to people, very far from it, but an occasion arose when I was "prompted" (for want of a better word) to tell somebody exactly what would happen to him and his fellowship if he was to ignore what I had to warn him about. He chose to ignore it, in fact said the exact opposite applied, but in due course it all happened precisely according to that warning. I don't go shouting about such things, but feel it relevant to cite this example in answer to your question about why I believe in such things. As another example, a close and trusted friend has testified as to receiving a very real healing after prayer.

      I happen to think that the vast majority of purported healings, prophecies, etc. are bogus and stem from the flesh and not the Spirit. But I'm not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater, no matter how difficult it might be to see the baby because of the utter filthiness of that bathwater. (I think that perhaps my non-cessationist belief is something that makes me find Charismania, with its hideous distortion of the gifts of God, so very repugnant).

      P.S. I don't know if you're familiar with the work of Jacob Prasch, but there are few teachers around with a better and more rounded grasp of Scripture, church history and deception than him. And he is not a cessationist.

      Just a few brief notes in answer to your query!

      Best wishes, in Jesus' Name,
      Rob.

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    8. Rob, I don't think I have any issues with what you say here. I wouldn't deny that God can prompt you to say the right thing at the right time, or that He can heal through prayer if He wants.

      Cessationism is much misunderstood. It simply says that the sign gifts of tongues, prophecy, healing, have ceased. From what I can tell, your experiences are compatible with that.

      I looked up Jacob Prasch on YouTube. He needs to learn to tame his tongue! I'm surprised anyone listens to him. I question some so-called "spirit-filled" christians because of their lack of truth (John 16:13). With him, it's a lack of love (Gal 5:22).

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  2. Hi Rob,

    I agree with you Rob, there is corruption/heresy/major compromise throughout all the denominations. Anglicans, Presbyterians Baptists, you name it they all fall majorly short. Ian's argument is flawed, its like saying saying "too much sugar only affects Redheads"....Simples.... .

    God Bless

    Ent

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    1. Thank you once again for your support!

      We do indeed all fall majorly short as you say. The Enemy is nothing if not subtle. His methods of temptation are always tailored to the individual, to maximize the chances of his taking somebody off the Way of Truth. A cessationist Baptist/Anglican who embraces ecumenism is operating in the same spirit of antichrist as any Pentecostal/Charismatic who holds that the Toronto obscenity was a blessing! And so on, and so forth... There is a vast web composed of many strands, but just one evil spider spinning it all...

      God bless you too, my friend!
      Rob.

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    2. Ent, there are bad things throughout the church. But the pentecostals and charismatics are by far the worst. They have many unique problems, resulting from their theology, that are simply not found amongst cessationists. For example, there are no cessationist prosperity preachers.

      Here's a list of recent pentecostal scandals: www.wayoflife.org/database/recent_pentecostal_scandals.html - I would challenge you (and Rob) to tell me of any other grouping within the church that has experienced anything even remotely comparable.

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    3. Hi Ian!

      I won't argue at all on this one! I'm simply not going to throw out the baby, no matter how much filth is in the bathwater, as per my reply above!

      In His Name,
      Rob.

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    4. But is there actually a baby in the bathwater ?? That's the question that needs to be asked.

      The "baby" (ie belief in modern day miraculous gifts) is a lie invented by religious conmen that unfortunately has stuck.

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    5. Hi Ian!

      Like I've said, I've no desire to have a fruitless exchange over differing views over cessationism, or indeed the very meaning of that term. I'd simply like to say that perhaps we could agree that what is of prime importance is the fruit of the Spirit, as outlined in Galatians 5:22-23 and Ephesians 5:9.

      With that thought, I'd like if I may to draw a firm line under this particular topic.

      Best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  3. Rob, leaving our disagreements for a moment, you may wish to note that Bill Johnson is coming back to London in July.

    See http://europeanleadersadvance.org/

    And if you thought £60 for two days was steep, this event is £150 for three days!

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    1. Thanks for this info, Ian! I'll check it out...

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  4. I am still waiting for a reply from Ian Smith on my blog and also via personal emails which took place nearly a year ago.

    Ian is very good at stirring the pot to get debate going, but when the going got tough in my case, he just stated to me in an apology that he did not have enough time to reply to my comments!

    I think you are wise Rob not to get involved with dear old Ian. He appears every few months on our two blogs, but he seems quite alone in his Christian walk, and to me, just tries to vindicate his lonely position with debate and argument on forums such as ours!

    When I challenged him if "Ian Smith" was his real name, he seemed offended, and then believable when he stated quite categorically that it was!

    But any other additional information is hard to get out of him! All he will tell me is that he lives somewhere in England, and that he does actually attend a church, but he will not tell me which one or its locality!

    His private email is the only other evidence he is willing to offer, and certainly no telephone numbers, pictures, blogs, or websites! All rather mysterious to me Rob!

    Best leave well alone!

    Maranatha Blessings,
    Nev.

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    1. Hi Nev!

      Thank you for these detailed thoughts and observations. Like yourself, I feel it's important to allow people to have their say, even when they,express strong disagreement. Interaction with readers can be healthy, but sometimes it can prove to be a protracted and ultimately fruitless exercise! Sometimes we just have to know when to draw a clear line in the sand...

      Every blessing, in Jesus' mighty Name,
      Rob.

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    2. Well thank you for the kind words, gentlemen !!!

      I prefer to be private, I don't have a blog or website, but I will say I've belonged to the same medium sized evangelical church for many years, and it's part of one of the main UK denominations, not an independent. Many people who comment on blogs do so totally anonymously or under an alias so I don't know what the issue is - you don't ask for details from your other commenters.

      (I don't think either of you belong to a church, by the way).

      I'm not interested in "stirring the pot" and the personal emails Neville mentioned were from September last year, which isn't exactly "nearly a year ago" (it's 7 months to be precise). I have now sent Nev a reply. I'm not sure why Nev suggested I went quiet when "the going got tough" as nothing Nev said in his email was remotely challenging. Perhaps Nev could tell me, here or in an email, what he felt was "tough".

      I have also supported both of you in your exposing of deception, and it's strange, you welcome my comments when I agree with you, but don't like it when I question your beliefs.

      I have concluded that the charismatic / pentecostal position of continuing miraculous gifts is totally wrong and can't see why either of you take this position when you are both fully aware that both these movements are full of heresy. To date, neither of you have been able to explain your position. I'm also willing to be proven wrong...

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    3. Hi Ian!

      Er... "Thank you for your kind words, gentlemen?" I never said anything at all about you in my reply to Neville! I merely repeated essentially what I'd already said to you directly. There are a number of enormously contentious areas which have long pitted brother against brother - and caused much and lasting pain and distress! - one being of course cessationism v the continuation of the gifts, others being Calvinism v Arminianism, the timing of the Rapture, eternal security (once-saved-always-saved)... All these can get Christians (by which I mean genuine, truly born-again believers) very hot under the collar, with no real outcome other than making the divide between equally convinced Christians on either side of the arguments that much wider! Let us all remember that in this life we all see through a glass darkly.

      May I say that I have indeed tried to explain my position to you. I have tried to be reasonable and fair with you Ian, and have been happy to allow you to give your own views in these columns. But this latest comment of yours simply emphasizes to me that there are definitely times when, as I've said, a clear line has to be drawn in the sand. And this is one of those times!

      In Jesus' mighty Name,
      Rob.

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  5. Very good reply Rob in your usual friendly Christian manner and attitude.

    I think Ian's main gripe is with me, and we are now in correspondence yet again over his comments on my blog.

    I will go so far with him, but eventually as you rightly say, there has to be a line drawn under a debate going around in repetitive circles.

    When I stated that the going "got tough" for him last year, it was not meant that the doctrinal answers were to severe for him to answer! It was just a euphemism for him not having the time or inclination to respond to a rather long email I sent him!

    I am still awaiting that reply! It seems like a year to me, but if Ian says it was September, I will accept that......but why still no reply? I am still challenging Ian over this on my blog (and here again now), and I think he will respond this time.

    Thanks again for a great blog brother.
    Keep up the good work in Christ.
    Blessings Galore to you Rob,
    Nev.

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    1. Hi Nev!

      Mr. Smith is a man of strong opinions, some of which may be different to yours or mine. And that's OK, but I do rather think that perhaps it might be an idea for him to start his own blog to express those opinions, rather than use the blogs of others as his vehicle for such expression. (After all, they are by their very nature personal blogs, not discussion forums).

      So how about it, Ian?

      Best wishes, and thanks again for your support and encouragement!
      In Jesus' mighty Name,
      Rob.

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    2. Guys, you ask for comments and want the interaction, you like it when I agree with you but get all upset when I challenge you. Man up!

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    3. Man up? This snide comment is the final straw, Ian! I've done my level best to be respectful and act properly and fairly towards you. I do not see that respect, propriety and fairness being reciprocated.

      Please do as I've suggested, and go start a blog of your own where you can sound off to your heart's content. I've given you plenty of space to air your opinions on mine, but I'm now notifying you that this blog is now closed to you. Please don't trouble yourself to comment any further, as such comments will no longer be published.

      In Jesus' Name,
      Rob..

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  6. Hi there people. My dad was a pastor within elim for many years so I grew up in and around the denomination. I was very defensive when people would say a single bad thing about Elim and the Pentecostal movement I would defend with out really knowing what I was defending. Loyalty I guess. But that soon changed when they tried to destroy my father. We as a family real side the corruption they had within the organisation. Its the leaders. The top leaders. They are more interested in making money than reaching people for Jesus. Theybahve lost sight of what is important and when my father stood up to them they attacked him and tried to hide it. And attacked us as a family. Trying to intimidate us into silence. It's a money racket. Having said that. There are great people within its church's. And some great leaders but unfortunately at the top its pure corruption. This I only one of many testimonies. I don't wish to say more but i can while heartedly day elim is corrupt I cannot comment on others as I do not know enough. But there are many people who have seen this corruption within Elim

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    1. Hi, and many thanks for writing in to share this sad and sobering personal testimony.

      I have no doubt that individual Elim congregations still contain great people as you say, who stand for uncompromising Truth. But the Elim senior leadership has betrayed the rank and file, and indeed the Gospel itself, through what it has embraced and promoted. It has so much to answer for, and answer for it these Laodicean leaders will have to one day, before God!

      Every blessing, in the mighty Name of Jesus,
      Rob.

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  7. We had warned friends of ours in Colorado about this evil work of Bill Johnson, but their pastor said we love Sundar Singh, Peter Tan, and Bill Johnson. Amazing that these people are not only unjust but vile and filthy. Hopefully the following links will wake some people up regarding the charlatans in the new age movement(NAR)
    HEARING THE VOICE OF GOD(ALBUM)


    HEARING THE VOICE OF GOD https://app.box.com/shared/h2x9b8q6xl

    LEARNING TO LISTEN FOR GOD https://app.box.com/s/bzhuq57iea15dw0ti3p3ewuaz63avs6i

    HEARING GODS VOICE https://app.box.com/s/pdrn00g3x8py8a6p1ds1

    WAYS THAT GODS SPEAKS TO US https://app.box.com/s/8zgbrcupln2tmursj9v0

    I hope that you are blessed by the messages.

    We also have included our Youtube link to about 70 videos.

    https://m.youtube.com/my_videos?o=U

    In Christ’s Service,

    Lee and Patricia

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    1. Hi Lee and Patricia, and thank you for your comment and the links!

      Bill Johnson is unquestionably one of the greatest deceivers on the planet today, his Bethel, Redding "church" being an epicentre of End-Times apostasy. He cannot be warned against strongly enough, for all the incredible damage he has done to Truth!

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  8. It is sad that these apostates who are doing great damage to the body of Christ will be given their due reward by the great judge. Contrary to the surface church that all one has to do is fulfill Romans 10:9 and you will be saved. About six years ago my wife had a prophetic dream called "ALARM PROPHETIC DREAM OF THE LAST DAYS"

    https://app.box.com/s/9321a1cda52d90e25557

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  9. Sometime in 2012 both my wife had each a prophetic dream regarding the state of the church. We knew then that we had a lot of work to do. Thanks for allowing us to share what God has shown our ministry. God bless you and yours!
    PROPHETIC DREAMS REVEALING ERROR IN THE CHURCH

    https://youtu.be/AGy87p5t_kQ

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    1. Thank you, both! The warning of apostasy must go out, to the ears that are still open to receive it!

      God bless you and yours also!
      In Him,
      Rob.

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