Thursday, 2 June 2016

DON MACGREGOR - PAYING LIP-SERVICE TO THE NICENE CREED WHILE HIS BISHOP AND ARCHDEACON SIMPLY STAND IDLY BY!

"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: 
for whatsoever a man soweth, 
that shall he also reap."
(Galatians 6:7)
Subsequent to my last posting on 4 May 2016 concerning Pembrokeshire's "New Age" priest, Rev'd. Don MacGregor, I wrote again the next day to both the Bishop and the Archdeacon of St. David's, as follows:

Dear Sir,
I hope and pray that you will spare a few moments of your time to read and reflect upon this article, and to seek God's face on these most serious issues.
I would be very pleased to receive any observations you might have.

Sincerely, in Jesus our Lord and Saviour,
Rob Thomas

Unfortunately, Bishop Wyn Evans seems to have been quite unable to spare a few moments; he has not seen fit to grace me with so much as an acknowledgement. The Archdeacon, however, did dash off a quick reply within a few hours, but it seems that he too had no time to consider the issues:

Dear Mr. Thomas
I acknowledge receipt of your note. I shall.not be sending observations to you. I receive many emails of this type and other urgent priorities. I have also replied in relation to the matter in your subject.
Blessings on you brother
dennis

Sadly, it seems that Dennis Wight's "urgent priorities" do not include contending for the Faith. One wonders why, if he's getting so many similar emails, he's not sitting up and taking some notice of such an occurrence...

So much then for the Diocesan leadership. But what of the man himself? Does he personally have anything to say about the matter? Indeed he does! And here is his comment, as posted on the article of 4 May 2016:

Don MacGregor to myself, 1 June 2016:
Dear Mr. Thomas, such a shame that after 4 weeks your article has received no comments, so I thought I might add one. You seem to be under the impression that everyone who is a Christian is a literalist and fundamentalist, which seems to be your position. I am deeply offended by many of your comments, as I am an active Christan  priest, yes with some challenging new interpretations of the tradition, but there is nothing I am saying that has not already been said many times in the past, often by famous and even sainted Christians of former days. I find the tone of your comments, and your pursuit of all sorts of other issues on your blog to be very un-Christian, judgemental and downright insulting. So I do not want to get into a dialogue with you, as I do not think it would change your mind one iota. And, to correct one thing, I can say the Nicene Creed quite happily in full belief of the tradition we inherit, in its context and culture.

My response:
Dear Mr. MacGregor,
Thank you for your comment. The sad irony is that you accuse my writings of being very unChristian, when the whole issue here is that your own writings run so completely contradictory to "the faith which was once delivered unto the saints" - the faith that we are exhorted to earnestly contend for! (Jude v3).  Mr. MacGregor, I would respectfully point out that unless a person is indeed "a literalist and fundamentalist" then they are not truly a Christian, but only someone who deceives both themselves and others by claiming to be one. You declare that you can say the Nicene Creed quite happily; saying it is one thing, but believing it is quite another. And your own writings give ample testimony to the fact that you do not believe it, sir. As it is written concerning such a thing:
"This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me." (Matthew 15:8)
Mr. MacGregor, you say that things I've said offend and insult you. Might I observe that things that you've said on your own blog and elsewhere undoubtedly offend and insult the Most High? You are playing fast and loose with the things of our Almighty God, preaching "another gospel" that is no gospel at all, and I most sincerely hope that you come to realize the abject folly of this while there is yet time to repent. Eternity is a long time for regrets.
In Him, 
Rob Thomas

BELOW IS REPRODUCED THE NICENE CREED, WHICH IS MANDATORY FOR ALL ANGLICAN PRIESTS TO UPHOLD.  REFERENCE TO DON MACGREGOR'S OWN WRITINGS CLEARLY SHOWS THAT WHILST HE CAN SAY THE CREED "QUITE HAPPILY" HE NEITHER BELIEVES IT NOR UPHOLDS IT, AND ALL THE WHILE HIS DIOCESAN SUPERIORS PLUG THEIR EARS AND TURN A BLIND EYE TO HIS HERETICAL "NEW INTERPRETATIONS" OF THE FUNDAMENTALS OF THE FAITH! PLEASE SEE:
http://watchman4wales.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/the-new-age-in-church-in-wales-case.html

THE NICENE CREED
WE BELIEVE in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.

For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come.

Amen.

(Source: http://anglicansonline.org/basics/nicene.html )


"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools."
(Romans 1:21-22)

"For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness."
(1 Corinthians 3:19)

2 comments:

  1. Rob
    Many thanks for the informative revelation in your above post.
    While I have a respect for some good Anglican leaders e.g Rico Tice who did an excellent work developing Christianity Explored, I have some serious questions over some things that's now appear in the CofE scene of which I'm sure the likes of John Stott and indeed J.C Ryle would have something very serious to say on the matter.

    While I hear what Mr D MacGregor is suggesting, that not everyone takes the Bible literally or do not hold fast to the fundamentals, I find this quite a recent idea and an approach which I'm sure is convenient in order to assist our own lifestyle of choice.

    When I was in primary school, The teacher one day stated that he needed a straight line drawn across his blackboard by using chalk, but that the line needed to be very straight. Aware that we would draw this line free hand, the challenge was on, and a wave of hands went up in response. Yes, I was chosen and wanting to please the teacher I made every effort to draw the line on the blackboard as straight as possible. Checking the line on completion I was happy and sure that the line was satisfactory for the teacher. In response, and in front of the whole class, the teacher checked my line using his one meter ruler and to my surprise the dips and waves in the line were now visible unlike before.

    I believe this is the case with us as Gods creatures. Without the rule of life and the means of salvation (bible), as much as we try, we don't know for sure what is right and what is wrong. Without having something to bounce off we can make the gospel to be whatever we want it to be, or make our Jesus to be the same. If the non literal approach is 'a' way of truth, then the Apostle Pauls declaration 'But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed' (Galatians 1:8)then becomes a contradiction in its term.

    I hear that Mr Macgregor was offended by your argument. I take no pleasure in offense, but it was the delivery of an offensive gospel that made the Jews sacrifice Christ.

    Rob, having read your articles and the coherence of the delivery of your doctrine, I see you deliver both the message of the Law and Grace both of which are necessary for salvation...(Mount Sinai and Mount Calvary). That you deliver the remedy to the problem I find you to be very Christian. I wonder if Jesus turned the tables over in the temple today whether we would call him unchristian. As for being judgmental, when Paul stated in scripture 'do not judge lest he be judged' he was talking about the final judgment of someone's salvation. He then himself in the same chapter went on to judge...worth a read. I'm sure you have.

    I trust that Mr MacGregor will consider the above information and not discard it.

    Every blessing

    Andrew

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    1. Hi Andrew!

      Thank you so much for your detailed and measured comment.

      I am grateful indeed for your support and encouragement in this matter, and would sincerely echo your hope that Mr. MacGregor will consider this information most carefully. May he come to realize that continuing determinedly along the broad path he has chosen carries the very gravest of consequences! (Matthew 7:13)

      In the mighty Name of Jesus our Lord,
      Rob.

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