Thursday, 5 October 2017

RICHARD TAYLOR, BACK IN THE DRIVING SEAT OF COUNTERFEIT REVIVALISM AT 'NEW BEGINNINGS CHURCH' IN MERTHYR TYDFIL.


"But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse,
deceiving, and being deceived."
(2 Timothy 3:13)


INTRODUCTION

I never wanted to write about this man again. I really didn't. Nothing would have pleased me more than to put all the issues surrounding this ignominious individual firmly to bed, once and for all. And I would have done, if only he'd somehow found it in him to have the good grace and the integrity to keep away from the pulpit he so unashamedly and determinedly disgraced, rather than have the temerity to disgrace it all over again, deceiving and being deceived. But my hand has regrettably been forced by his re-emergence into the limelight; the big con is sadly still very much on, and a long dark shadow continues to be cast across the land. The pied piper is once again playing his seductive tune, and a clear warning has to be given.


AN IGNORED EXCLUSION FROM LEADERSHIP

There are three major temptations to overtake a Christian leader. (I use the term "Christian" loosely, to include those leaders masquerading as ministers of righteousness, whose "Jesus" is in reality "the lord of the fraud" as highlighted in my last article: 
http://watchman4wales.blogspot.co.uk/2017/09/the-most-heinous-identity-theft-ever_10.html )

The three great temptations? Money/Materialism, Power/Control, and Sex - immoral sex to be exact. Some may fall at one hurdle, some at two, and some like Richard Taylor even fall at all three. And when all that occurs concurrent with that person heading up a church where he is supposedly appointed and anointed to lead an "outpouring" of the Holy Spirit, that "outpouring" clearly cannot have been the work of a holy God but only a product of fallen flesh. In a nutshell, the much-feted event presided over by Mr. Taylor that became known as the "Welsh Outpouring" was just an elaborately engineered exercise in soulish sensationalism, just another hyper-Charismatic engagement in Laodicean lunacy.

While Mr. Taylor was being trumpeted as being "the real deal," the awful reality behind the carefully-cultivated illusion was that he was about as genuine as a plastic Rolex or a politician's promise, and every bit as sound as a Bank of Toytown pound. While publicly he was boasting that he and fellow Cwmbran crow Andrew Parsons were going to head up the greatest revival that the world had ever seen, privately he was engaged in an extra-marital sexual relationship, for which adultery he was subsequently dismissed by Elim (to which his Victory Church was affiliated) and banned from the pulpit. End of the unhappy saga? Sadly, not so. Banned from one pulpit, he simply seeks another...

The refusal to accept due discipline is the hallmark of an arrogant and wayward, even anarchic spirit, not that of a genuinely repentant, God-fearing man. Scripturally, adultery debars a church leader from being in a place of leadership, not just for a few years as Elim decreed, but permanently. Most certainly a truly repentant pastor can be restored to fellowship, but never to such a position as he held formerly. It is troubling indeed that there has to be a serious question as to Mr. Taylor's real repentance, and thus qualification for return even to fellowship, for if he was truly penitent he would humbly accept that he cannot hold such an office of leadership again, not demonstrate a wilful determination to do exactly that which he has disqualified himself from doing.


"Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body;
but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you,
which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?"
(1 Corinthians 6:18-19)

Significantly, Paul later elaborates upon this teaching, and in a personal context:

"But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection:
lest that by any means, when I have preached to others,
I myself should be a castaway."
(1 Corinthians 9:27)

In adultery, when a born-again believer who is indwelt by the Holy Spirit commits such an act, he not only sins against his own body, but he effectively makes God a part of that coupling also! The seriousness of such a thing cannot possibly be understated. God in His wonderful grace will still forgive, if forgiveness is honestly sought, but the stain on that person's character remains for the rest of his days. He has severed the holy three-fold marriage cord between a man, his wife and God, and brought reproach upon not only himself but the Church which he has thus betrayed. The pastor is Christ's representative. Would Christ be unfaithful to His bride? Unthinkable! When the shepherd strays, what of the sheep? Will they not see his bad example, and think such behaviour is acceptable, excusable and OK for them also, with the attitude of "what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander?" Grace manifested in forgiveness still applies, but not trust, for the adulterous pastor has demonstrated decisively that if he cannot be trusted to be faithful to his wife or his Saviour in earthly things, he cannot ever be safely trusted with the stewardship of the things of heaven.

This is Paul's meaning when he says that if he himself could not keep himself in check when sexual temptation came his way (as it undoubtedly did as a single man), then he would forfeit his calling to leadership by such indulgence. And we should note well that after the word "castaway" there is a full stop. And neither is there any following sentence speaking of restoration to his previous position after such a sin; his disqualification would be a permanent one. The top of the cliff, after falling to the rocks, never becomes part of the clifftop again but remains on the lower level. Significantly, the Greek word (adokimos) used here by Paul also means rejected or reprobate; it is only used once in all Scripture, never referenced again; once you become a castaway, a castaway you remain. 


"What about forgiveness? Shouldn't we be eager to restore our fallen brethren?
To fellowship, yes. But not to leadership. It is not an act of love to return a disqualified man to public ministry, it is an act of disobedience."
(John MacArthur)

When the leadership of 'Heads of the Valleys Church' in Merthyr Tydfil installed Richard Taylor as their Senior Pastor recently, it was an act not of righteousness but of disobedience to God, for which they will be held accountable by Him. Les Bevan, their Lead Pastor, had been given that position by Richard Taylor himself, when that church was operating as a Victory Church "campus," being established by him as part of his "50/10" self-given vision to establish 50 such "campuses" across Wales in a decade, after Bethania chapel's existing congregation was forced to vacate the premises under what can only be described as extremely dubious circumstances. In his "you scratched-my-back-so-now-I'll-scratch-yours" action, Mr. Bevan has shown his approval and elevation of unrighteousness above righteousness, and loyalty to the tainted contrivances of Taylor rather than to the pure cause of Christ. He has made himself both complicit and culpable.


RICHARD TAYLOR AND FINIS DAKE

OK, you may well be saying, I know of Richard Taylor, but who's this Finis Dake, and what's the link between the two? The vital link is 'Dake's Annotated Reference Bible.'

Maybe you've heard of this tome, maybe you haven't; what's important to record here is that the DARB is the "pseudo-Bible" that Richard Taylor uses, confirmed by the man himself in his Tweet of 31/8/17, publishing a photo of it with the words, "It's travelled thousands of miles across oceans far and wide it's been my companion, it's old and falling apart but keeps me together." The significance of this is huge.

It's for very good reason that I use the expression "pseudo-Bible" in citing Mr. Taylor's constant companion, for Finis Dake's DARB actually dares to take God's Word (KJV) and alongside it annotate it in such a way as to present a false "Jesus" and a false gospel that cannot save. It is a work that has contributed enormously to formulating and underpinning the most grievous heresies of the Word of Faith movement, with Dake's heretical spin on God and the things of God being taken up with relish by the WoF wolf-pack.

As an example, consider if you will a few of Dake's notes on God the Father:


"He has a personal spirit body; shape; form; image and likeness of a man. He has bodily parts such as, back parts, heart, hands and fingers, mouth, lips and tongue, feet, eyes, ears, hair, head, face, arms, loins, and other bodily parts. He has bodily presence and goes from place to place in a body like all other persons. He has a voice; breath; and countenance. He wears clothes; eats; rests; dwells in a mansion and in a city located on a material planet called Heaven; sits on a throne; walks; rides; engages in other activities. He has a personal soul with feelings of grief; anger; repentance; jealousy; hate; love; pity; fellowship; pleasure and delight; and other soul passions like other beings."
(From Dake's notes on the Gospel of John)

Sound more than a little like Ken Copeland's "god" who's made in the image of man? In his comprehensive 1993 expose of the Word of Faith movement (of which the likes of Copeland is a central figure), Christianity in Crisis, Hank Hanegraaf in his overview of study Bibles declared that, "Perhaps the worst collection of false teachings is found in the popular Dake's Annotated Reference Bible... On the very first page of the New Testament, Dake writes that Jesus became the Christ or the 'Anointed One' 30 years after He was born of Mary." 

Consider this concise appraisal of Dake's work and influence:


"It is amazing how influential one false teacher can be. For example, much of the aberrant theology of Hagin, Copeland, Hinn, et al. can be traced to one man, Finis Dake. His Dake's Annotated Reference Bible presents, among other errors, the idea that God the Father has a physical body similar to man's; that he eats, wears clothes and lives on a planet called Heaven; that Adam and Eve flew back and forth to the moon; that Christians will continue to have children throughout eternity; and even that there will be segregation between races in heaven. Who could believe such antibiblical nonsense? Multitudes. And they accept it from the notes in a "reference" Bible which sold 30,000 copies in 1992!"
(Dave Hunt, The Berean Call, 1994)

So much for his work. Let's take just a glimpse at the man himself. Finis Dake's notes on the New Testament were written while he was serving a prison sentence; and no, it was not through some action of upholding the Faith. It was consequent to him pleading guilty to an offence under the USA's Mann Act, which states:

"SEC. 4. That any person who shall knowingly persuade, induce, entice or coerce any woman or girl under the age of eighteen years from any State or Territory or the District of Columbia to any other State or Territory or the District of Columbia, with the purpose and intent to induce or coerce her, or that she shall be induced or coerced to engage in prostitution or debauchery, or any other immoral practice, and shall in furtherance of such purpose knowingly induce or cause her to go and to be carried or transported as a passenger in interstate commerce upon the line or route of any common carrier or carriers, shall be deemed guilty of a felony, and in conviction there of shall be punished by a fine of not more than ten thousand dollars, or by imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years, or by both such fine and imprisonment, in the discretion of the court."
(Text of the relevant section of the Mann Act)

Dake (a married man) had picked up a 16-year-old hitchhiker, then booking them into various hotels as 'Christian Anderson and wife' and obviously with sexual intent, as per the Mann Act quoted above. Hmmm... false "Christian" works, running in tandem with sexual immorality... are we getting any feelings of deja-vu here? Todd Bentley perhaps? Benny Hinn and Paula White? Or just maybe Richard Taylor? Time and again we find this ugly pattern repeating itself, of major spiritual departure going hand in hand with gross physical iniquity.

WITH RICHARD TAYLOR BEING A LONG-TIME ADHERENT OF DAKE, WHOSE PEN WAS PROMPTED NOT BY THE HOLY SPIRIT BUT BY THE SPIRIT OF ANTICHRIST, IT BECOMES CLEARER JUST WHY HIS BRAND OF "CHRISTIANITY" IS SO FAR OFF THE MARK.



RICHARD TAYLOR, JONATHAN MILLER AND "THE HOLY GHOST BARTENDER"

Who is Jonathan Miller? Well, this is Richard Taylor's newest best buddy, the latest in a succession of dubious dear pals from across the Pond.

Mr. Miller is Senior Pastor (as is wife Cristina) of New Beginnings Church in Orlando, Florida, who Mr. Taylor has extremely enthusiastically hooked up with, becoming New Beginnings' European Director from 1 September, 2017. In line with this proud Stateside partnering, Bethania chapel/aka Victory Church Merthyr Campus/aka Heads of the Valleys Church has now been re-launched yet again, this time as New Beginnings Church, complete with all the Orlando outfit's trimmings. We might at this point also note that just as Mr. Miller's wife has been installed as Senior Pastor in Orlando, Mr. Taylor has also similarly installed his own wife Jill as Senior Pastor in Merthyr Tydfil. A Bible-believing Christian of course, knows full well that no woman is called to be a pastor, never mind a senior one, and such an appointment to a position of leadership and authority is in itself proof not of such a church's Biblical soundness but its open rebellion to God, which is as witchcraft. (Ref. 1 Samuel 15:23)

Mr. Miller, who partners with the WoF movement's Total Blasphemy Network, is a man who collects "strange fire" impartations like other people collect postage stamps. Benny Hinn, Oral Roberts, Reinhard Bonnke, Rod Parsley and Rex Humbard have each contributed to his collection; spiritual miscreants one and all, who he calls "Generals in the Faith!" It follows, unsurprisingly, that his new European Director also has a predilection for such things. Following his August trip to Bulgaria to preach to the poor / sun himself by the pool of his holiday hotel, he flew on to the Netherlands, in order to receive "ministry" from no less a person than "The Holy Ghost Bartender" himself, Rodney Howard-Browne, duly being served with a speciality-of-the-house "strange fire" top-up courtesy of "Joel's Bar."


BIRDS OF A FEATHER AND ALL THAT... OR SHALL WE JUST MAKE THAT VULTURES OF A FEATHER... ?

(For a synopsis of RHB's "ministry" please see: 
http://watchman4wales.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/mission-to-wales-july-2017-new-wine.html )



RICHARD TAYLOR AND "THE WELSH OUTPOURING"

In writing this article I personally get a real sense of deja-vu, for I started this blog back in May, 2013, writing on the very subject of Richard Taylor. The catalyst for me doing so was that it had become obvious to me, in investigating the back-story, that there were very serious questions to be asked about the authenticity of the so-called "Welsh Outpouring" which had broken out the previous month at his Victory Church in Cwmbran.

I wrote much about the "outpouring" to try and alert people to its counterfeit nature, and this material can be accessed by anyone so interested by clicking on the relevant entries in the Topics column on the right or the Labels found at the foot of this article. What I wish to do here is to reproduce, with the correspondent's full permission to do so, a comment that came in on my last article, which is a most sobering and revealing personal testimony: 


  "I know Richard Taylor well and do count him as a friend, however i was involved in the so called outpouring that took place in Cwmbran and was in fact there on the first night it all started. I quickly realised that not all was as it seemed and the many unbiblical practices that i saw confirmed it for me. I left the church shortly after the outpouring ended, disillusioned and questioning my faith. This is the danger of these type of events which are based on hype and hysteria with very little biblical foundation. I do fear that restoring Richard Taylor to senior leadership is not an act of love but more an act of disobedience on the part of the leaders at Merthyr. Paul the Apostle teaches plainly that a leader who falls into sin, namely sexual sin is disqualified from leadership not for 3, 5 years but for good. Restoration to the kingdom goes without saying but not to leadership.I fear that the event which is taking place at Merthyr in October will be nothing short of another invented "move of God" I stand firm in the Lord these days, relying on His word and leading, not the ramblings of so called "spiritual" people who spout heresy and belittle the Holy Spirit. I am not finger pointing,just giving my opinion and experience of hyper Pentecostalism. We are called to expose lies and deceit and for me i do not want my friends caught up in this so called Christianity, it will not save you, only Confession, Repentance and Belief in The Lord Jesus Christ will. God bless Rob, in Jesus name."
(Name and email address supplied)

Coming as it does from someone who was not only present but actually part of the Victory team on the very night that the "outpouring" broke out, this account is of incalculable importance in sounding an urgent warning. It not only affirms my own "outsider's" concerns about the Cwmbran extravaganza from an "insider's" perspective, but also mirrors my serious misgivings about the forthcoming 3-day event entitled "Revive" at Mr. Taylor's new power base in Dowlais, Merthyr Tydfil, on 27-29 October.

PLEASE, PLEASE HEED THESE HEARTFELT WORDS, BORN OF EXCRUCIATING FIRST-HAND EXPERIENCE OF CWMBRAN'S COUNTERFEIT OUTPOURING, AND KEEP YOURSELF SAFELY WELL AWAY FROM THE "STRANGE FIRE" BEING RE-KINDLED BY RICHARD TAYLOR AND HIS FELLOW RECKLESS INCENDIARIES AT NEW BEGINNINGS CHURCH!



IN CONCLUSION

It would be laughable if it wasn't so tragic. How bitterly ironic, that a man who in 2009 wrote a book called 'Authentic Christianity' was to be responsible just 4 years later for one of the most unauthentic examples of Christianity that Wales has ever been subjected to, the so-called "Welsh Outpouring" at Cwmbran. That book is subtitled 'The Real Deal With God,' but the "outpouring" was as much the real deal as the contents of a suitcase in the van of Trotter's Independent Trading Co., nothing but a cheap counterfeit, a noxious scent in a leaking forged bottle which if Trading Standards had anything to do with spiritual things, would have immediately been removed from the shelves of Babylonian Bargains and the dishonest trader taken to task.

Conditions are carefully created, through repetitive music and lighting arrangements in particular, to create heightened emotions and a heavy air of theatrical expectancy, ultimately causing an audience to enter an altered state of consciousness. In this way their analytical filters are shut down, and they are primed to ecstatically accept and act upon any powerful suggestion being tossed out to them from the platform by some silver-tongued charmer. An unquestioning herd mentality holds sway. This was the case at Cwmbran; it is a scenario being played out endlessly in auditoriums globally. And one thing we can be 100% sure of is that it is definitely not of God.

Friends, the moral standards of Christians are lower now than they've ever been, while at the same time their desire to elevate subjective experience above objective Bible-centred teaching is higher now than it's ever been. Who even mentions, or - perish the thought! - urges to holiness and sanctification any more, enthusing only of "the anointing" and "impartation?" Whose interests are being served by so lowering the bar? Only those who do not want to be raised to higher morality, only those who want their sensual itching ears tickled with words of sweet seduction and not be faced with the desperate depths of human depravity. If the Gospel being preached does not cut to the quick, rending the spirit, then it is a different, depthless, easy-believism gospel that is no gospel at all. Sleep-walking its way down the broad road that leads only to ultimate destruction, this is the kind of toothless tiger that the Church en masse is cuddling so closely. People everywhere are being bamboozled into believing that all is well with their soul and that their eternal destiny is secure, when that is simply not so. Is there any greater evil than this being done in the Lord's Name?

RICHARD TAYLOR AND NEW BEGINNINGS CHURCH IN MERTHYR TYDFIL ARE JUST LOCAL SYMPTOMS OF A VIRULENT CANCER THAT IS RELENTLESSLY SPREADING RIGHT THROUGH THE ENTIRE BODY OF CHRIST, A MALIGNANCY THAT FEW ARE PREPARED TO EVEN ACCEPT THE DIAGNOSIS OF, NEVER MIND HAVE THE GODLY WILLINGNESS TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT. IT IS THE TIME OF THE GREAT FALLING AWAY, A HARD-CORE END-TIMES APOSTASY, A CUT-PRICE COUNTERFEIT CHRISTIANITY THAT IS BEING HAILED BY THE CHEERING CHAFF AND THE TRUTH-TRASHING TARES AS GOD RESTORING HIS PEOPLE. FRIENDS, THE REVIVAL THESE PEOPLE SPEAK OF IS A REVIVAL ONLY OF BABYLON.

"Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, 
not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD."
(Amos 8:11)

150 comments:

  1. Rob, this is so needed about this man, who's tweets are cringe worthily.
    Sadly today, this is all too common. Worship, church etc is becoming big business. Entertaining the flock who are indeed being led by many a piper. The flocks of these men and there are many, need to open their bibles, and then obey it.

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    1. Hi Disciple, and thank you so much for your support!

      You are so right. People have a most urgent need to be commendable Bereans, and test everything against the uncompromising and unchanging Word of God! We might then get back to being faithful disciples of the Lord, not foolish followers of misguided men.

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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    2. I do hope that you realise that your opportunity to establish actual facts, cite real events and promote balance and truth have all passed. I carefully avoided taking you to task previously. Now that you have set your hand back to the business of doing the devils work, then to the devil you must go. This time there will be no return.

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    3. I publish Moderator's comment simply to show my readers what happens when someone exposes Richard Taylor and his counterfeit revivalism in a Biblical context: it is that person who gets accused of doing Satan's work!

      I do know who Moderator is, but will not reply to my accuser. The Lord Himself will judge between him and me, and people are free to make up their own minds as to who it is who's doing the Devil's work here.

      In Jesus our Lord,
      Rob.

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  2. Hello Rob,

    Are bible colleges at fault for producing all these rogue pastors?

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    1. An interesting and pertinent question!

      I've no doubt at all personally that Bible Colleges must take a large share of the blame for the climate of apostasy that now exists. Many have been established by churches/groups with questionable doctrines, or have since their inception become allied to such churches/groups. It's a huge subject, but very briefly I'll make mention here of the Colleges based here in Wales.

      The Bible College of Wales in Swansea is owned and administered by Cornerstone Community Church of Singapore. This church is sold out on "Charismania" and Dominionism. The Union School of Theology (formerly WEST) in Bridgend is now controlled by SaRang Community Church in South Korea. This church is in covenant relationship with Rick Warren's antichrist Peace Plan. We might also note that UST's Senior Lecturer on the New Testament (Cornelis Bennema) dismisses parts of John's Gospel as fiction. The South Wales Baptist College in Cardiff is ecumenically joined at the hip to Cytun (Churches Together in Wales) and they share the same premises. Cytun, we might well note, is chaired by a representative of the Roman Catholic Church. Covenant College, also in Cardiff, is an organ of Ministries Without Borders, an integral part of the British New Church Movement which adheres to Restorationism, which is to all intents and purposes the UK equivalent of America's aberrant New Apostolic Reformation. Just a quick snapshot I know, but do you get the picture? It's not a pretty one...

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  3. I really don't know what moderator is worried about.

    For if this be of God, YOU will not be able to stop it. Acts 5.39!

    Blessings JL.

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    1. Quite so, JL, quite so!

      But he's not done with me yet - see below...

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  4. You miss reality by a mile. They that accuse others are swift to draw a defence when they themselves are accused. The term "the devils work" has to do with accusing others. The term accuse is from the greek 'diabolos' and means accuser. Jesus calledJudas an accuser. "have I not chosen all of you, yet one of you is a devil (diabolos)? Your article is full of material inaccuracies. You exaggerate and fill up that off which you have no true knowledge.

    What do you know about Mr Taylor? Your previous efforts included lies, false accusations, and much much more. You have shown no regret for your false claims. You make ruin of the truth. Your spirit is precisely the reason why men who stumble prefer to run to the hills than become objects of open ridicule and contempt. It is in the hills that they cry out to God - and it is in the hills that they find peace. Then when they return to the valley their accusers gather to accuse them.

    What do you know of the real circumstances surrounding Mr Taylor? You gossip and chatter like a small bird and then claim to fly on eagles wings. Telling you that to the devil you will now go is no more than telling you that you are now going to bear the consequences of refusing to show humility and compassion, even in the face of your inaccuracies. Who said anything about Satan? I called you an accuser. Your knowledge of Scripture is woeful.

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    1. I'll leave it entirely to my readers to make up their own minds as to who it is who misses reality by a mile, who it is who engages in lies and false accusations, who it is who makes ruin of the truth, and whose knowledge of Scripture is woeful.

      In Him,
      Rob.

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    2. You can leave it to the devil himself, Mr Thomas. My comment was directed at you. You ought to address it and stop hiding behind your readers opinions. What do you know, as a fact, regarding Mr Taylor? Answer that in a material and rational way and then I will give you the facts as they are based on first hand testimony and sight of material evidence. You accused Mr Taylor of every kind of malpractice. That included financial and other kinds of fraud. Where is your evidence? Your words are mere speculation based on the witness of unnamed people who are too cowardly to name themselves in the public domain. If you are going to address spiritual matters then do so in a manner constant with spiritual ambitions. If you conflate spiritual and fleshy things then you can only expect the whole lump to be ruined. There is no more a vile man than he who in harming others does so believing that he is serving God. Christians can and often are, weak, hypocritical and hateful. I say it as a servant of Christ. Every Christian that I know who gossips, spills blood and stands on the mountain top shouting his wares to the entire earth has been found to be false in the end. There is no place for it in the grace and mercy of Christ. When you transgress that you reject grace for yourself. Now your friends can answer that one for you also.

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  5. For what's it's worth I have very close friend who knows Richard Taylor. To date, what has been said about him is true.

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    1. Hi Disciple, and many thanks for this comment. It is much appreciated!

      Best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  6. A thing is worth only what it is in substance. Having a friend of the man you accuse stands for nothing. Bear witness of what you yourself know or else be found to have borne false witness.

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    1. I publish Moderator's 2 newest comments above, solely so my readers can - yes - form their own opinions of the matter, which I think they have every right to do. I hide behind nothing. Everything I've ever written about Richard Taylor is up for public scrutiny, with my own name attached, for the facts to be tested and true or false witness decided upon. I don't know why my accuser (who calls others cowardly for not naming themselves when he declines to do so himself) is so dismissive of the idea of people having a mind of their own to make such judgments.

      I've said all I'm going to when it comes to Moderator's comments. I'm just repeating myself to no avail, and feel he's abused the privilege of my willingness to accept his comments quite enough now, and so no further contact from him will henceforth appear here and be responded to.

      In Him,
      Rob.

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  7. Those who have revealed such things can be no closer.

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    1. Thank you, Disciple!

      Best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  8. Rob,

    In the past I have sided with Moderator on things, how he proved Mr zion talywain altered and fabricated posts and comments on his blog, as I had been the victim of this. Also, for having the guts to confront RT and AP for the version of events straight from the horse's mouth, though we are always mindful there's two sides to every story.

    Though on this I do not agree with him. On this his view is curried by the fact on the April evening of the wheelchair night he was driving up the country and when he was parallel with that part of South Wales God gave him a vision of Cwmbran. Unfortunately anyone with a different view of the events and RT he automatically assumes is a hateful Christian, are RT haters and malicious gossips. Or, you're doing the devil's work. I don't hate RT, and I'm sure you don't, the only two who I would put in that group by their deeds are Mr zion talywain, and the very venomous one who goes by the alias Sue.

    I'm not privy to what RT did or didn't do other than the statement issued by Elim and Victory that he had a moral failure and was removed from office and the pulpit. I do not think that the Elim general superintendent and Executive ever make the decision to remove a pastor from office lightly. I know not the substance of the moral failure and do not want to, but do know that this episode isn't just about Richard and how it affected him, but about the wider church family.

    It affected profoundly his family and close friends, the faithful members of Victory church, and the wider circle of people who travelled from all over to attend the meetings, the conference delegates he spoke over, and the wider church family. It is in this context that I hold the view I do.

    From watching his YouTube posts, his Vimeos, podcasts, Facebook lives etc. It is more than obvious that his character wants to be a leader not a follower, and this manifests itself in an insatiable appetite to be the leader of revival.

    In Modetators social media Facebook Rhomphaeom he had posts of RT's comeback meeting at HOTV church which he attended, where he himself was acknowledged publically in the meeting. On the Facebook he stated how sincere the people there are. And, I don't doubt him, and take his word for it that they are a very sincere bunch. I do however agree with you that they are misguided.

    Before Moderator vents his spleen with me, I take the view I do because what if things relating to RT were slightly different? What if he'd been called to be a youth pastor, he'd been a keynote speaker at youth rallies up and down the country. What if he'd been caught in a moral failure abusing children? Well firstly he'd serve a custodial sentence, he'd be on an offenders register, but would he be restored by the church back into the role of youth pastor? Would he be allowed alone with the children again? Would that mean the church and the Christians were doing the devil's work?

    What is the difference between the hypothetical situation and what happened in reality, only that with the latter scenario the person concerned would break the law of the land, whereby a 'moral failure' doesn't.

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    1. Hi, and many thanks for your thoughtful and balanced comment.

      Like yourself, I don't hate Mr. Taylor. It's not at all a personal issue. My concern is with his wilful embrace of and promotion of counterfeit revivalism, from a position of leadership which he should not occupy, and I've tried hard to be as objective and Biblical as possible in my warnings about this man and his activities. Just who it is who is given over to hatred, people can make their own decision about.

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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    2. Addendum to above reply. Moderator continues to harangue and abuse, seeming to have no understanding whatsoever of plain English, when I've said that no further comments from him will appear here and be responded to. I see no obligation whatsoever on my part to engage with someone so full of malice and arrogance in his determination to defend that which is indefensible.

      In Him,
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  9. Can I throw this in. RT through a close friend has made it plain before all the information about him came out that he strived to be a millionaire, that was his aim. He aimed, through various things, including the TV doc he did to make money. I was told he eyes were wondering everywhere. If a child sex monster was ever found out, prosecuted served a sentence they would never be allowed to be found with children again. I am so shocked he has been allowed back in the pulpit.

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    1. Thank you, Disciple.

      Sadly, it comes as no surprise to hear this testimony of Mr. Taylor's ambition to be a millionaire. He has consistently demonstrated a taste for the finer material things of life. Also, his eye for the ladies in his congregation has been well noted. It is indeed shocking that he has been allowed back into the pulpit that he has disqualified himself from by his unrighteous behaviour, but these days absolutely anything goes in these End Times when, as the Bible foretold, apostasy would be rampant.

      With best wishes in Him,
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  10. Hi Rob, very good article, keep up the good work. In Him

    Peter Harry Brown

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    1. Hi Peter, and many thanks for writing in!

      Such support and encouragement is very much appreciated!

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  11. Hi Rob, a very well written article and excellent information about bible colleges in Wales. As Peter Harry Brown has just said, please keep up the good work.

    Yours in Christ
    Vince and Jane

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    1. Hi Vince and Jane, and my most sincere thanks to you both for all your support!

      As long as the Lord wills it, I'll endeavour to continue with this work, which I guess must be rattling a few cages judging by the opposition to it! It is my hope and prayer that the Lord be pleased to use the material appearing on this site to make people seriously think about all that's happening, and help them to avoid real and present danger.

      With best wishes in Him,
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  12. Hi Rob, as past church goers of Victory Church, we can vouch that your comments are indeed accurate and correct. I am baffled that a man can call himself Moderator and take authority (like so many others) regarding falseness and have an interest in defending Richard Taylor to the core. Just the sheer term of a name like this speaks audacity, and it would be nice to see some evidence of what he says, as he doesn't seem open with it. Herein lies my suspicion... Keep the truth coming Rob - it shocks but telling the Truth of the Gospel is our job as followers of Christ.

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    1. Hi Ceri!

      Very many thanks for your confirmation of the accuracy of the information, which is a testimony of great importance coming as it does from one who has personally known Mr. Taylor and has been an attendee of his Victory Church.

      Moderator was given the opportunity to have his say, but simply chose to throw out a string of empty accusations (while calling me the accuser, funnily enough). It is his prerogative to support Mr. Taylor if he so wishes, but his modus operandi in doing so is totally unacceptable, and as noted his unreasoned vitriol has caused him to be allowed no further space here.

      With very best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  13. You said:

    Very many thanks for your confirmation of the accuracy of the information, which is a testimony of great importance coming as it does from one who has personally known Mr. Taylor and has been an attendee of his Victory Church.

    Moderator was given the opportunity to have his say, but simply chose to throw out a string of empty accusations (while calling me the accuser, funnily enough). It is his prerogative to support Mr. Taylor if he so wishes, but his modus operandi in doing so is totally unacceptable, and as noted his unreasoned vitriol has caused him to be allowed no further space here.

    I say:

    You are an educated man Mr Thomas. This comment of yours is completely false. You know perfectly well enough who I am. You know it because you have stated that you know it. The term Moderator is a Google Handle and has to do with a Goggle account for www.ziontalywain.blogspot.co.uk and one other. You also know what I have said, why and what the facts are. I have done more than any other person in the entire world to expose the nonsense of abuse that yourself, Stephens and others levelled against Mr Taylor. You know it. You know it well. May the Lord rebuke you Satan. You are a false brother and a worker of Satan. Your response here the this false comment by Ceri is worthy of the pit. My mind is reasoned enough with facts. You are a religious bigot. You are hateful, false and corrupt.

    When I get to investigating you the facts will be clear enough. You have been told plainly.

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    1. Whilst I had no intention whatsoever of publishing and responding to any further vitriol from Moderator, I most regrettably feel I really have to in respect of this latest tirade. This is because his abuse goes beyond just myself; it will be seen that instead of answering Ceri's comment by providing any evidence, and instead of accepting her testimony from personal knowledge as to the accuracy of the information, he calls her comment FALSE. I feel it needful to allow my readers the opportunity to see for themselves in his comment above the calibre of this man, who whilst calling others cowardly for not disclosing their names, still does not do so himself. As he declines to introduce himself, I'll do it for him. He is Andrew Kelly, a resident of Bodmin in Cornwall, a long-time defender of the indefensible, a man who has openly admitted to once working for Satan. I leave it to my readers to determine for themselves whether he just might still be doing so.

      In Him,
      Rob.

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  14. Dear Watchman Rob. I continue to thank God for calling you to this difficult but essential ministry warning believers of wolves in sheep's clothing. I would like to add my support and pray that His grace and strength will sustain you. God bless you and your family. Alexa.

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    1. Hi Alexa!

      May I say how grateful for and encouraged I am by your words of support in the face of continued attack upon this work. Your own willingness and the willingness of others to stand alongside me is such a wonderful blessing, and I'm humbled indeed that people have been prepared to risk being targeted themselves for voicing such support.

      With very best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  15. Moderator should reflect on how many Ceri's there are that were affected and dragged into the fallout from her pastor's fall and subsequent church split, breakaway call it what you want.

    Calling people satan, or telling someone who witnessed everything first hand, not hearsay, they are false, doesn't help one jot.

    Moderator you published you met with Richard and Andrew. Explaining why he left the covering of Elim, why he felt it necessary to ignore the discipline of John Glass, why he split the Victory church would be more productive. You have the knowledge on the above points, but am inclined to think that answering the above would expose your own frailties. Why be afraid to give the reasons why you are so defensive on these?

    Accusatory replies and threats don't look like you're about the Father's business. Looks more like a cover up and very shady.

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    1. Hi, and thank you for your observations.

      Andrew Kelly aka Moderator most certainly has a need for deep reflection on many things, not least his own actions quite apart from those of the man he gives such unreasoned support to. I sincerely hope he does so reflect, but I sadly think it unlikely. There is a darkness abroad which is almost tangible in its intensity. Mr. Kelly considers that the darkness is on my part; readers are free to draw their own conclusions as to where that darkness lies.

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  16. Hi Rob and everyone,

    If I may, I would like to ask a couple of questions of the Moderator within this forum, and I quite understand if he responds and you feel unable to post it.

    Moderator, I am perplexed over the last couple of years why you continue to defend Richard Taylor's ministry despite many happenings that we know about of moral value, Biblical issues and denominational intervention? Is this a spiritual defence or one of personal interest on a human level?

    I find it truly sad that it seems that your remit is to attempt to install fear and threaten. As followers of Christ, our only fear is reverential for the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom; fools despise wisdom and discipline. I feel that you are a very hurt individual, and I bless you and will continue to pray for you. If your trust is in the Lord, our conversation regarding falsity in the Church would not trouble you to the extent of belittling Rob's knowledge of Scripture and threatening investigations, as our hope is in Christ and we fight a spiritual battle, not a physical one. As Christ has already beaten death and is King of Kings, where is your worry? Kicking the dust off your feet is one thing, and casting people to the pit is another, and is not of Christ.

    Ceri

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    1. Hi Ceri, and thank you for this thoughtful and Godly response to Mr Kelly, aka Moderator.

      Whatever his reasons may be for defending Richard Taylor, in spite of the rather large body of evidence demonstrating Mr. Taylor's unsoundness, his method of defence is simply to go into attack mode, with an unreasoned stream of abuse and accusation.

      As you so rightly say, ours is a spiritual battle, and our fear is to be not of any man but of God alone. Mr. Kelly may utter threats and curses if he so wishes, but they really are nothing to me, and simply serve to show that he is not operating in a spirit of proper Christian grace.

      With very best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  17. Rob, I'll leave you with this thought. I was staying at a Christian holiday centre here in Wales that had different speakers booked. One of them was a pastor who Richard calls his father in the faith. Richard was his assistant.

    One evening there was a Parkinson type evening where he was being interviewed, and then a q&a session with questions direct from the floor.

    Someone asked what changes he'd seen since he was ordained. He said there were two things that saddened him. One was the WOF movement, and that anyone who was in the ministry for the money shouldn't be in it.

    The second, was of the almost 40 pastor's that were ordained with him in 1972, there is only 4 left in the ministry. A couple he said, were caught with their fingers in the till, and the other 30+ had all either been caught in bed with a woman from the church, or had ran away with another woman!

    The question that followed was, did he think they should be restored to the ministry and be allowed to lead a church again. He said it depends on one thing. Were they caught with their trousers down, or did they voluntarily go to their church elders and area superintendent. He said if they were caught and exposed they shouldn't be restored to the ministry and allowed to lead a church. If they ended it and confessed, yes.

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    1. Hi, and thanks for your comment. If those stats are correct, it's a staggering reflection of the state of today's church leadership!

      I could of course be wrong, but I would guess that the pastor you refer to could well be Bishop David Carr of Renewal in Solihull and the (pseudo-RC) Order of St. Leonard. He has certainly been called by Richard Taylor - and very recently (FB 6/10/17) - his "spiritual father and mentor." David Carr has, for good reason, himself been featured in these pages. In any event, it matters not whether an adulterous pastor is "found out" or "comes clean" about his infidelity. What matters is that the act of betrayal has occurred, an act which for all the reasons outlined in this article disqualifies such a man from any return to a position of leadership. Admission and true repentance can most certainly return him to fellowship, but he is permanently excluded from any return to pastoring.

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      Rob.

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  18. He is Andrew Kelly, a resident of Bodmin in Cornwall, a long-time defender of the indefensible, a man who has openly admitted to once working for Satan. I leave it to my readers to determine for themselves whether he just might still be doing so.

    Now you are party to the facilitation of abuse online. This will have to go as far as it needs to go Mr Thomas. First of all I do not live in Bodmin, and I never have. Secondly, you have no proper reason to continue to bear false witness. Why are you incapable of addressing facts. Not spiritual claims - facts. You accused Mr Taylor of fraud, embezzlement, and many such things. You did it with Stephens and others and I have the evidence of it. I published that evidence, albeit in your case somewhat in a gentle way, and yet you still facilitate these kinds of claims by citing that Mr Taylor is a lover of money and a fraud. You really should stop. I have written a book called In This Hour. You ought to read it. You imagine that you are a Watchman. Your entire direction against Mr Taylor is predicated on a vision (The Poisoned Stream). You have gone well beyond the claims of that vision. You have entered into hatred and venom. You are a religious bigot. I have said more in one chapter of my book about false revivals, WOF claims and all such things, and condemned them more convincingly that you are capable of comprehending. Yet I see no proper reason to participate in a hate campaign, online and beyond all reason. Neither yourself, nor your supposed friends are spiritually minded when it comes to discernment and you really ought to stop the pretence. Citing Scripture is a work of Satan when it facilitated hatred. He did it with Jesus. Its an age old methodology to seem spiritually well informed. It means absolutely nothing whatsoever. It is fake. Repent Mr Thomas - you are headed for the pit.

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    1. Well, here is Mr. Kelly's response, such as it is. Absolutely nothing said of any substance whatsoever, absolutely nothing forthcoming in answer to Ceri's pertinent questioning of him, nothing but unreasoned attack and more unreasoned attack and yet more unreasoned attack. Embezzlement??? You will search in vain for any such accusation being made anywhere in my writings. Who is it who bears false witness? Once again I am content to leave it to my readers to decide this, and who it is who has entered into hatred and venom and is incapable of addressing facts, and who really ought to stop the pretence.

      In Him,
      Rob.

      P.S. The electoral roll for Bodmin shows one Andrew Kelly on their register. It's also a fact that his mail order company, Schokolade Limited, operates out of Bosvenna House in Priory Road, Bodmin. Planning permission is known to have been sought by him in 2014 for converting this property into a guesthouse with proprietor's accommodation. His company records an alternative postal address for Manby, Louth; in any event his connection to Bodmin is well established. But... so what? Where he lives or does not live is of zero importance; it is his modus operandi that matters: putting others down whilst elevating himself. Christ-like?

      In Him,
      Rob.

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  19. Hi Rob,

    Yes, it seems that Moderator wishes to send you down the same path as Mr Stephens, until you relinquish your blog to him, but on quoting Moderator above regarding Christians being "weak", there lies our strength in the Lord. Discernment is paramount, along with wisdom as gifts, and we know that we are sinners who have prayed for these gifts, and thank the Lord for His grace in giving.

    Despite wanting to hear first hand from people who have attended Victory Church, everything anyone says that Moderator does not want to hear is still labelled immediately as 'false'. We went to Victory Church from January 2010, way before it started in Cwmbran, and the Gospel of Christ was preached by Richard Taylor. Since Andrew Parsons appeared in Cwmbran when the church moved to the warehouse, we have seen grave theological changes that have transpired, but if we are not to be believed like so many others, then hey ho, that's Moderator's choice. We had left before the "outpouring", already concerned with things that were happening - theological and otherwise, and we still hear from hurt souls including ex-Victory Outreach residents.

    What I do know is that being cast into the pit happens twice in Scripture, once when Joseph's brothers threw him in the pit to leave for dead through their jealousy, and in Revelation 20. In Revelation 20 the Angel of the Lord came down from heaven and casts Satan to the pit to shut him up. No man can presume to do this in any shape or form - it is completely unbiblical and not of a servant of Christ; it is heresy. The person who assumes they have this power lives under a delusion - possibly thinking they are the Angel of the Lord (maybe with an outfit).

    My feeling is that there is a crusader-style earthly mission to impose views or shut up. But, as I said earlier, we are in the world and not of it, and we battle against dominions and powers in a spiritual battle. I find it interesting to hear the little piece of information about the Poisoned Stream. Am I right in thinking this was a vision of Mr Taylor or Moderator? It is very common for people with narcissistic personality disorder to claim visions of people against them, as when this happens, they can tell their followers (note 'their' followers as in Apollo etc..., followers of men) that the vision has come true. It is cult leader style. The other point about people with NPD is that they cannot cope when people can see what they are actually up to. Delusions of grandeur are lies which are acted and spoken, claiming false authority, common with mental health issues/personality disorders.

    God is our judge, He knows where His mercy and grace extend, not man, and I am convinced as I said that there is a personal interest on a worldly level here (apart from a spiritual battle). I cannot find this book online, however I would rather keep reading the Word of God than one man's muses.

    The discussion on this forum as I understand is to tell of apostasy in the Church, and as Moderator has apparently written a book on this, then where is the healthy debate? The Apostle Paul debated constantly regarding falsities/ungodly behaviour in the Church. It is only people who like to exert control and bully who can't cope with an alternative viewpoint. It certainly seems there is a bully trying to exercise his self-proclaimed power.

    Blessings in the Lord,

    Ceri

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    1. Hi Ceri, and again many thanks for your detailed and measured response to Andrew Kelly's most recent comment.

      When he says that my "entire direction against Mr Taylor is predicated on a vision (The Poisoned Stream)" I can only assume that this stems from my referring to the Lord impressing upon me the need to trace a stream back to its source, to determine the purity or otherwise of the water and whether or not it's safe to drink. This is, of course, merely a metaphor; it was never claimed to have been a vision. Research has indeed revealed the impurity of the metaphorical water, and those findings have been carefully documented in these pages. If Mr. Kelly chooses to dismiss the evidence of spiritual corruption, he is free to do so, but one might perhaps expect him to be able to give reasons for making such a choice?

      Whatever his motivation for supporting Richard Taylor might be, his case for doing so is clearly not so much hollow as non-existent. Despite every opportunity, he has given not a single shred of evidence to support his position or his claims, instead actually resorting to blatant lies designed to discredit me.

      Attack, it is said, is the best form of defence, and this is a maxim Mr. Kelly seems to have taken to heart in how he operates. Healthy, reasoned and gracious Christian debate is one thing; constant abuse and arrogance and abject failure to put forward any argument for one's stance is quite another. I rather think that Mr. Kelly's self-appointment as Mr. Taylor's champion could prove to be counter-productive...

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  20. You said:

    P.S. The electoral roll for Bodmin shows one Andrew Kelly on their register. It's also a fact that his mail order company, Schokolade Limited, operates out of Bosvenna House in Priory Road, Bodmin. Planning permission is known to have been sought by him in 2014 for converting this property into a guesthouse with proprietor's accommodation. His company records an alternative postal address for Manby, Louth; in any event his connection to Bodmin is well established. But... so what? Where he lives or does not live is of zero importance; it is his modus operandi that matters: putting others down whilst elevating himself. Christ-like?

    I say:

    Mr Thomas let me be very clear. You facilitated abuse, malice, false witness, and every other kind of claim against Mr Taylor with Stephens. You met with him, conspired with him and agreed with him. He, Stephens, took some of the original claims about Mr Taylor from your blog. They took the form of comments which you moderated into your blog. Stephens took those comments, as he does now, and embellished them by his own words, to which effect he harms others by giving seeming credence to those words.

    Further, Stephens has orchestrated a hate campaign against myself for several years. He has posted my personal details including what he falsely believed to be my private address. He posted images of my children, my wife, my friends and abused them all. You watched that process play out and now you are wilfully entering into the same process. There was no need to name me as you have done, if for no more reason than these facts. You chose to do it and you know it very well indeed.

    Also, I have five residences in the UK. I do not, nor ever have lived in Bodmin. My extended family on the other hand, does. We have received phone calls abusing us in the early hours, as well as, at numerous other times. I was forced to make reference to the Court of Protection in order to address the abuse against my son who lacks capacity and could not have either participated in or else consented to his details being used online. We have had to change phone numbers and taken other steps to reestablish our privacy. Now you raise the issue of a company of mine. That company was maligned, attacked, slandered, and general abused by Stephens. He did this with no proper reason whatsoever and as a result I folded the company at a loss of more than 60K out of my own pocket. Stephens celebrated that outcome.

    Finally, there is no reasoned argument with religious bigots. You claim to be a watchman but failed to see who Stephens was and is when you stood in agreement with him. That choice was your error. I knew him from the moment I heard his name. As I said before, Mr Thomas, this will have to go as far as is necessary. The Lord rebuke you.

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    Yes, it seems that Moderator wishes to send you down the same path as Mr Stephens, until you relinquish your blog to him, but on quoting Moderator above regarding Christians being "weak", there lies our strength in the Lord. Discernment is paramount, along with wisdom as gifts, and we know that we are sinners who have prayed for these gifts, and thank the Lord for His grace in giving.

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    I will address your overarching point Ms McDade. Your comment is overwhelmingly irrational. You slander and attack one man and then blame another man. There is only one true fact to emerge from Victory Church. Mr Taylor was found in adultery. That is the only true fact. When I began my work into this matter I researched Mr Parsons and Mr Taylor through professional agencies going back more than 25 years. I found not one single instance of dishonesty, fraud, abuse or indeed, any mark against Mr Parsons. Mr Taylor cites his confidence in Christ as a man who was formally a thief and has now learned to give. That is the only remedy for the thief outside the cross, and Mr Taylor walks in it very well indeed. Victory Church accounts, for the period covering the Outpouring, were eventually submitted to the Charities Commission and they showed no loss of money, no embezzlement and no misappropriation of funds. I met with Mr Parsons severally, and spent many hours going through his personal life, time at college, christian work, company involvement, at home and abroad, in sight of material evidence to support his witness. I also met with Mr Taylor as well. They both spent time with me overnight and I spent time with them in Wales. What you are doing, and have done from the beginning amounts to a religious hate campaign predicated on spiritual claims that can have, and never will have any basis in fact. You are incapable of knowing what a fact is. So be it.

    So, Ms McDade, spare me ay further nonsense. I did my due diligence above and beyond all reasonable expectation. For that effort I have become the object of religious madness and bigotry. Your kind of insanity has it that weakness in harming others, to which I made reference, having spent over three decades witnessing it in Christians, becomes a boast in Christ. You convolute reason, meaning and fact. So let me be plain for the final time. The most hateful, harmful and destructive people I have ever had to do with have been some Christians. It is a fact. What you say about Mr Taylor's supposed heresies is a worthless sop. Apart from the few, no one is interested. When you see harm, hatred, malice, and wilful callous disregard for another soul, and drive yourself into that work of Satan, by a continuous disregard of those realities, then you are also accountable for their effect. I will not reason with you on supposed spiritual matters because I care nothing for your spiritual claims. They are worthless. What have I to do with you? Stop addressing me you pretentious upstart and get a life.

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    1. Well, Mr. Kelly, you continue to reveal yourself to operate not in the Spirit of Christ but in the spirit of antichrist. What a tirade of blind hatred for anyone who should see things differently to yourself! You are obviously a very damaged individual, who takes refuge in self-delusion.

      I named you, Mr. Kelly, to highlight your shameful hypocrisy in calling others cowardly for not giving their names when you omitted to do so yourself. If you have reasons, do they not have reasons also? I have long since severed any connection between myself and Mr. Neville Stephens, and have never conspired with him on any level. I have my blog, and he has his blogs, and I've no control whatsoever over what he does just as he has no control over what I do. Your malicious remarks have no place in reality.

      If the only reason you can come up with for your support of Richard Taylor is that he "cites his confidence in Christ" and that nothing untoward about Victory's finances was found, then I can only say that I consider this to be rather a pitiable excuse for your support of this man. Do you really not understand that my entire focus has rightly been upon the spiritual issues arising, of which there have been so very many? You choose to blinker yourself to these very real and valid, well-documented concerns, and have even blatantly lied in your grotesque attempts to discredit me for exposing this man as being the counterfeit revivalist that he is.

      Accordingly, let it be known and understood that I'll accept and publish no further comment from you until or unless I first receive from you a comment to be published here with this exact wording:

      I, Andrew Kelly, also known as Moderator and Ichabod (my Google usernames), do hereby unreservedly and sincerely apologize for and repent of bearing false witness against Rob Thomas of the watchman4wales blog, in leveling the serious charge against him of having accused Mr. Richard Taylor of embezzlement.

      We will see if Mr Kelly can muster the humility, courage and integrity to do this.

      In Him,
      Rob.

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    2. UP-DATE: I'm sad to here record that Mr. Kelly, despite his submitting three comments subsequent to my reply to him above, has been unable to muster the humility, courage and integrity to apologize for and repent of his bearing false witness against me. As advised, these comments will accordingly not be published, but I will briefly quote from them simply to demonstrate the nature of the spirit in which this man is consistently operating:

      "I( Andrew Kelly, known by my real and only name thereto, do hereby accuse you of wilful murder of the brethren."

      His concluding words:

      "Now desist from abusing me you silly man."

      Readers, as ever, can draw their own conclusions on this matter. For myself, I'm drawing a line underneath it all, shaking the dust off my feet, and leaving it in the Lord's hands.

      In Him,
      Rob.

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  22. Hi Rob,

    He who has ears, let him hear... Thank goodness that in this crazy world, God does not change and His Truth remains the same, despite the wavering of man.

    Just a point about the ethics of Moderator's investigation. For one who is apparently an experienced investigator, it looks like a couple of golden rules were broken. Since when does the investigator invite their subject/s of investigation to spend the night at his abode? Also, any first-hand evidence from ex-Victory Church or Victory Outreach people would be immediately dismissed as false. It looks like the kind of audit where the files of choice are placed in front of the auditor, and the required people are interviewed. As I said, it looks as though there is some kind of personal interest.

    Also, on reading Moderator's theological viewpoints above, of course he would see no wrong with the spiritual practices at Victory Church. To lump you in with practices of Mr Stephens is very short-sighted and inaccurate. He may call me what he likes, but a life I certainly do have, and the assurance of salvation in the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Blessings in Him

    Ceri

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    1. Hi Ceri, and thank you for sharing these pertinent thoughts and observations.

      Mr. Andrew Kelly aka Moderator simply reveals himself to be a man who has completely lost the plot, who in his self- righteous folly pulls the wool only over his own eyes and those of no-one else. (With the exception, I suppose, of Mr. Richard Taylor, Mr. Andrew Parsons and Mr. Les Bevan). All very sad indeed; he is a man to be pitied and prayed for.

      With best wishes in Him,
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  23. Hi Rob, i was just made aware that Bethania is now being called new beginnings. I left Bethania in 2011 as i left pentecost and followed Hebrew roots, Abba cannot bless Bethania no matter how many times they try to change its name as when Bethania closed Abba left and corruption turned the key as the exchange certainly was not spiritually legal . What saddens me is that people will attend get whipped up in the feel good fuzzy factor and give legal entry to the kundalini spirit. when i was told of the reopening, the word i had = was a dog returns to his vomit. shabbat shalom.Elaine

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    1. Hi Elaine, and many thanks for writing in!

      However grand a building might appear, its soundness is just an illusion when its foundations are not on the Rock but upon the sand. Any "blessing" perceived to come upon Bethania aka New Beginnings will inevitably be similarly illusory. Just as Toronto was hailed as a blessing, when it was in reality a demonic curse. There is a very great and grievous delusion being delivered in the Lord's Name!

      With best wishes in Him,
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  24. Elaine,
    As Rob correctly infers, the building is just bricks and mortar, if the Spirit of God isn't there it is nothing! Has it become a shrine then?

    You say "I left Pentecost and followed Hebrew roots" be very careful as there is a LOT of dodgy teaching in that movement, having come out of it myself.

    Don't follow Hebrew roots, cling to the cross and follow Jesus Christ!
    Blessings JL.

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    1. Hi JL, and thank you for sounding this note of caution!

      There are indeed many misteachings and misconceptions within the Hebrew Roots movement, of the kind which Paul was much moved to seriously warn at length about in his epistle to the Galatians. It's a big subject, one which perhaps I'll write about at some point, if the Lord so wills it.

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  25. I feel compelled to add a comment to this long and detailed article. Rob, bless you for highlighting this issue, when there are many hundreds of believers wondering the same thing. The very bare bones of this situation boils down to this, Richard Taylor committed acts of gross misconduct while he was in the practise of 'preaching' and imitating the role of pastor. He was found out, the claims were proven and he was removed and disqualified from the pulpit for a full five years by an authentic church body. Yet, less than two years later, New Beginnings are giving him a platform once again for his rantings and he begins by inviting those who have had the audacity to speak truth, to attend the church where he will pray with us. Seemingly Mr Taylor thinks that he has some kind of special arrangement with our Maker which the rest of us believers dont have regarding prayer? We are perfectly able to pray for ourselves thank you RT, and most of us would sooner spend a week in the lions den than hear a single word uttered from a false prophet such as yourself. As for the 'Moderator' it would appear that he feels qualified to comment on the man after spending such a small time with him when many people have been subject to RTs outrageous and arrogant behaviour for a many years now. The Moderator knows nothing, he has been taken in by the fancy talk of this person, just like many before, but yet to discover the true nature of this person. I am amazed that New Beginnings has let this person run amok through the Welsh valleys once more. Praying that this fiasco will end even sooner than the previous show did.

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    1. Hi, and many thanks for writing in and sharing your all too valid observations concerning this most grievous of situations. Messrs. Les Bevan and Jonathan Miller have so much to answer for, in giving this deceitful man a position he is disqualified from, a platform from which he will now continue his determined campaign of counterfeit revivalism.

      Who would allow themselves to be preached to or prayed for by Richard Taylor? Only those lacking in all wisdom and discernment, and with itching ears to be tickled (among which number can be counted the very vocal but conspicuously vacuous Moderator).

      This is all indeed a show, carefully staged by a showman, and we can all sincerely hope and pray that the curtain comes down quickly on this apostate production!

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  26. Hello Rob
    Given that the Moderator has reaped for himself a whole load of problems, business failure, family issues etc etc, by his own admission, I would suggest that his defence of the notorious Taylor has brought about a very harsh rebuke from the Lord. This person has no idea what he is talking about and has not discovered the real Mr Taylor yet, at which point he will surely eat his own words. I pray it will be in his lifetime and that he will not have to include his reasons for defending this person when he gives an account for his life. The many people who know the real Taylor are not standing against numerous other people of the faith, they stand against Taylor alone, because they know his character and clearly the Moderator doesnt. How can he claim to know him after such a short time and the fact that Taylor knows how to manipulate people? The Moderator has been sucked into his lies and continues to be deceived by him Thankful that you continue to lovingly expose these people Rob, you are saying what many believers are thinking We are appalled that he has once again propelled himself into the spotlight, even though he still only half way through a pulpit ban I support you in your efforts as do many more of your brothers and sisters Rob May God mightily bless and protect you

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    1. Hi, and many thanks for your comment!

      In supporting Richard Taylor, and in the manner that he does so, Moderator simply reveals himself to be of the self-same spirit: a man deceiving and being deceived. He cannot see that he harms himself by setting himself up in all unrighteousness as Mr. Taylor's champion.

      I am so very grateful to you for voicing your support for this attempt to warn people of the very real and present spiritual danger posed by Richard Taylor and New Beginnings Church here in Merthyr Tydfil. I've been incredibly moved and encouraged by the number of people who have been prepared to stand with me, and can't thank them all enough for such staunch support. Thank you, Lord, for so touching people's hearts! But what is infinitely more important than a willingness to stand with me, who is as nothing, is a willingness to earnestly contend for the true Faith in the face of falseness!

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  27. Thank you so much for your poignant comments, Anonymous. What you have said is very true. What audit or private investigator of worldly value would ever see of the spiritual falsities by the leadership of Victory Church? There were so many - taking homeless off the streets and into rehab in 24 hours - that never happened, 6 churches and then 50 (the Lord changes his mind?), assuming the role between man and God (blasphemy), and "I'm the founding preaching pastor, I'll be here when you are all gone"... Need I say more? New Beginnings, which I have looked at, again sadly looks like the RT show. Paul warned about us following and inflating the man, all exaltation should be of the Lord, not man. Faith in Christ is one thing, but we are commanded to obey His Word too - as Scripture is the Word of God, this is God's edict.

    Blessings in Christ,

    Ceri

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    1. Hi Ceri, and thank you for this timely reminder that we are to be followers of the Lord, not of men, and are to give Him alone all the glory and not put mere mortals on pedestals. He is to increase, and we are to decrease! It is His Kingdom, not ours!

      Moderator may if he wishes completely brush aside all the spiritual falsities surrounding Mr. Taylor, and mock and abuse and curse anyone who should raise legitimate concerns, but he cannot make genuine that which is patently false. He continues to send in comments blasting away at myself and my correspondents, but none of these will be published as he has still been unable to bring himself to do that which he needs to, which is to admit to, apologize for, and repent of bearing false witness against me. My oh my, this is quite some "rod to the Lord's House" as he describes himself!

      In this most recent contact, he also actually claims to have seen Christ with his own eyes!!! I leave readers to decide for themselves just what "christ" that might have been...

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  28. I have written a short post Rob... some thoughts about Taylor's unbelievable presumption. God bless http://watchman4wales.blogspot.co.uk/2017/10/richard-taylor-back-in-driving-seat-of.html

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    1. Hi Treena!

      Good to hear from you, and many thanks for your continued efforts to expose this shameless counterfeit revivalist!

      Readers can find Treena's new article, posted today on her East Midlands-based blog, containing some most interesting information which she has personally been the recipient of, at:

      https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/

      With very best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  29. When on earth did a revival start by being advertised, by being posted online and by assuming that God was going to show up by order of the management? Im amazed at the lack of wisdom of the congregation

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    1. A very succinct observation, my friend, which hits the nail on the head!

      Everyone it seems wants to see the gifts manifested - except for wisdom and discernment! The Most High is perceived to be at the service of men, not the other way round! The only type of "revival" generated by such methodologies can only be a false one of the flesh and not of the Spirit. Such a grievous deception on the part of the leaders, and such a gullibility on the part of those who fall for all the hype!

      May the Lord in His great mercy and grace remove the scales from the eyes of people caught up in this, that they might see it for the terrible charade that it is!

      With very best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  30. Hi Rob

    May we thank you for this blog as it bears out that which we have been 'feeling' even before we knew of this man'seeking dealings ...I am sure everyone has seenot the high profile publication of 'his' event here in Merthyr .. My lady Melony and I are somewhat young in the Word of God but nevertheless we believe that Truth will out sure enough it has while it is true that God forgives a sinner how can this man climb back into the pulpit given his previoust moral fall ..I'm trying not to judge but clearly when God through the Holy Spirit moves us to speak we must try to be level headed ..Melony and I tried to post on his advertised extravaganza that we couldn't attend sadly our comments were never posted but oddly enough comments lauding and applauding him and his New Beginnings were allowed ...these fruits then speak for themselves that people like this love the adoration but not the truth. .
    Thank you for providing insight

    In Christ Jesus Melony and Tyler

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    1. Hi Tyler and Melony!

      Thank you so much for writing in; it's a particular pleasure and blessing to hear from a fellow Merthyr man who shares these concerns about Richard Taylor! It is right and proper, indeed it is thoroughly Biblical (1 John 4:1), that we test the spirits to determine the truth or otherwise of a matter. Taylor is disqualified from leadership, full stop. He and New Beginnings are acting in wilful disobedience to God, and no amount of hype on their part is going to change that basic lamentable fact.

      When Taylor was in Cwmbran orchestrating the false "Welsh Outpouring" and engaging in adultery, no comments questioning him or what was happening at his Victory Church were ever allowed to appear. Strict censorship was exercised, allowing only the applause of the deceived to get through and be seen. Obviously, and sadly not unexpectedly, the same policy of censoring commenting is being implemented in New Beginnings. Truth is unimportant to them. The whole operation is born of the flesh, and pandering to the flesh. I'm so heartened to know that there are believers here in Merthyr who can see what is afoot on our very doorstep.

      Thanks again for your contribution to raising awareness!
      With very best wishes to you both, in Him,
      Rob.

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  31. An interesting fact about Richard Taylor is that he posted online a list of people who had most influenced his life and yet a very notable absence was that of the Sansomes. If his account of the early years is to be believed they took him in when he was at his lowest, gave him shelter and food.
    nurtured him. I believe he received what he claims to have been a baptism of the Holy Spirit while in one of the homes where he was residing. He took over a thriving ministry in the running of the homes ,which the couple had built up over many years. Not so any more, homes have been cut by about half,he would not have known the comfortable life he has, had it not been for this couple And yet he doesnt even include them in his 'bestie' list?? What an ungrateful character. He probably owes them his life and they dont even get a mention Very sad.

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  32. Hi, and thank you for this pertinent observation!

    I've seen the list, and it's pretty revealing about Taylor's make-up, in both the names that are on it and also the names that are not. As you say, the Sansomes are conspicuously absent despite their pivotal role; also his father, despite him having (in yet another act of spiritual disobedience) a new tattoo recently in his honour. Notable are the names which show Taylor's Word of Faith and hyper-Charismatic inclinations. Perhaps the most significant omission, as an astute friend of mine well noted, is Jesus... the Apostles... the Prophets...

    For those who haven't seen it, I reproduce here his list of influences on his life and ministry:
    Wynne Lewis - Apostolic leader/KT (with the Lord)
    Robert C Owen - Welsh Pastor (with the Lord)
    George Jeffreys Williamson - Pastor Mount of Olives (with the Lord)
    Eric Gaudion - Cardiff City Temple
    Ambrose Lloyd - Evangelist & Pastor (with the Lord)
    Miles Witherford - Hockley Pentecostal Church
    Darell Dowden - Victory Outreach
    David Carr - Renewal Christian Centre
    Reinhard Bonnke- CFAN
    John Bevere - Messenger
    Phil Munsey - Pastor and leader of Champions Network
    Dwight Thompson - Evangelist USA
    Kenneth Hagin Jnr - Rhema Church Tulsa
    Steve Hill - Pensacola Revival (with the Lord)
    David Wilkinson - Times Sq Church New York (with the Lord)
    Peter Jenkins - Voice Asia
    Mam Carol Jenkins
    John Glass - Former Superintendent Elim
    Alan Andrews - Choose Life Llanelli

    Best wishes in Him,
    Rob.

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  33. Possible double standards from V.C. and Elim

    Some very good points you have raised Rob.
    But there may appear to be slight double standards from a biblical prospective on leadership.
    “I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.” Matthew 19:9

    Please don’t forget that Richard Taylor is still married, and is a family man.
    Let us be thankful that they are together as a family, this is something we should rejoice over.
    I say yes, and may God bless Richard and his family in this regard.

    However, Peter Jenkins (Voice Asia) is divorced I believe. A person that lives hundreds of miles away from V.C. as a Pastor, I’m sure he has his motives why he remains on the books of V.C. as a Pastor.
    But he is divorced, and if it is not for the biblical reason stated above is there not a problem?

    ‘’Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye’’


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  34. Hi, and thank you for this comment!

    Fully agreed, that it is indeed a good thing that Richard Taylor and his wife remain together consequent to his adultery; such is right and proper. But there has to be a question about the reality of his repentance, as he obviously demonstrates no Godly acceptance of his disqualification from leadership, actually adding to his disturbingly wilful disobedience by appointing his wife as Senior Pastor alongside him.

    I have no personal knowledge of Peter Jenkins' marital circumstances. This being so, I can only say that I quite agree that there is a very real problem with him holding a position of leadership if he is unbiblically divorced, something which would indeed point as you say to double standards on the part of Victory Church and Elim.

    With best wishes in Him,
    Rob.

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  35. How can a Pastor be trusted to obey the Lord, if he fails to obey the sanctions levied on him by the Church heirachy? I feel for all the hundreds of people who attended the outpouring, many despairing people looking for hope and healing, However they received prayer from a Pastor who was dèep in sin. Where are these people today? Are they living with a False conversion, did they ever receive true healing? Mr Taylor I beg you please don't leave another trail of broken people in your wake.

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    1. Hi, and many thanks for this heartfelt comment!

      You've just beautifully summed up the whole point and purpose of writing this article. Mr. Taylor won't back down and accept due discipline for living a wretched double life while purporting to be God's instrument of an outpouring of His Holy Spirit, which was so clearly a deep deception and work of the flesh only. A warning accordingly has to be sounded, to try to at least keep someone who still has ears to hear well away from this incredibly unprincipled man, and the devastation he so wilfully causes and the reproach he so unconcernedly brings on the Name of the Lord and His Church.

      With very best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  36. Come on Rob!
    People in VC were complicit in the 'outpouring' and still talk about it.
    Interesting comment on Peter Jenkins. Does sound like double standards but then who cares these days.

    A lot of stuff in the seeker friendly churches is all about money. It's like they need endless programmes and speakers to keep people entertained Rob.

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    1. Hi!

      I'm sorry, but I just don't know what you mean by "Come on Rob?" Not being funny - I just don't know what I've said to cause this response? Undoubtedly some were fully complicit in the false "outpouring," but I'm equally sure that many sought a genuine encounter with God only to be subjected to a charade. A friend of mine went to Cwmbran in good faith, but quickly came to see it for what it was. I certainly think it unfair to tar every attendee with the same brush.

      I agree completely with what you say about "seeker-friendly" churches! Keeping the folks entertained and the cash flowing...

      Best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  37. Hi Rob
    Not sure what the other anon, means by Come On Rob! either?? But thank you for your reply stating my comment was beautifully put. The 2nd anon was not part of my comment just to clarify incase of any confusion.
    Best Wishes in Him to you and yours!

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    1. Hi again!

      I rather thought it was a different Anon, but thanks anyway for the clarification. I really did think your comment was a spot-on synopsis of the situation, really hitting the nail on the head. Thank you again for this!

      My very best wishes to you and yours too!
      In Him,
      Rob.

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  38. I agree with the person above who has concerns for those that Taylor would lead astray unwittingly. I believe that this is the concern for many of us, that he will once again put on the The Richard Taylor show and promote nobody other than himself. At these times of great falling away, the last thing the church needs is a showman who is prepared to do anything other than the Godly thing. Praying that he will come to his senses and truly repent Praying even more that those who have been damaged by his unGodly behaviour will be healed, enlightened and blessed greatly

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    1. Hi, and many thanks for adding your voice of support to the concerns expressed by my correspondent above.

      As the old saying goes, if we don't learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it. The very last thing Wales needs now is a wretched repeat performance of Cwmbran. So I can only say a loud "Amen!" to your thoughts and prayers!

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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    2. I agree with Rob and the above, there must have been many, many people who turned up on outpouring nights who had no ptevious knowledge of the Lord, or vc, and were seeking comfort and succour in their hour of need, these are the people I pray have found the right path. Not all people by any stretch of the imagination were complicit, many came from all over the country and overseas.
      God Bless

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    3. Hi, and my most sincere thanks to you also for voicing similar concerns about those from far and wide who became the unsuspecting victims of Cwmbran's false promise, those who innocently fell prey to unscrupulous and self-seeking predators rather than be ministered to in all Truth and righteousness. May they indeed come upon the right Path, regardless of the fleshly debacle they met with at the so-called "outpouring."

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  39. ‘’Anonymous8 November 2017 at 11:00
    Possible double standards from V.C. and Elim’’

    OK totally agree with you Rob on your concerns with Richard, we must wait and see what happens and pray people do not feel let down.
    To your credit along with Nev, you have both stood your ground when others have kept silent.
    So I salute you both on that.

    However, you seem to pursue your prey especially Nev with vigour over these many years.
    How come the lack of even handedness with other Pastors that from a biblical prospective as you have agreed, presents a leadership dilemma at the very least.

    Something does not seem fair from that point, when people can receive pulpit bans (justified), yet others in the Church are regarded with a high degree of respect?

    As you agreed there seems to be possible double standard, and non-biblical standards being possible followed if true. If that is true, then how can you place a pulpit ban on Richard, or anyone make comments like they have on Richard – sorry I don’t get it.
    Elim or VC, you or anyone else has no right to point fingers at Richard because you could be overlooking one pointing back if true.

    May the Lord Bless you Rob.

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    1. Hi, and thank you for your comment!

      Firstly, may I say that I do not in any sense see those leaders I write about as my "prey" who I "pursue." I do what I do because for some reason best known to the Lord I am called to do so, in earnest contention for the Faith once delivered, the Faith that in one way or another is being compromised and convoluted by the activities and the pronouncements of such as these.

      Secondly, Neville Stephens does what he does completely independently, and I cannot answer for how he goes about things. For myself, I would respectfully refute the charge of lack of even handedness; I try to be fair and balanced, but I simply cannot possibly cover all situations. Some come to my attention, and other perhaps very similar situations do not. There are almost certainly other men who should be banned from the pulpit, but I cannot realistically properly research and write about everything. There's no deliberate "picking upon" one or "leaving alone" another - there are enormous problems in the contemporary Church in all manner of ways, and I can only deal with a certain small percentage of these!

      I have to disagree with your view that neither I nor anyone else has a right to "point fingers" at Richard Taylor. The Apostle Paul "pointed fingers" and so should we when the integrity of the Gospel is on the line. Having said that, we have a duty to examine ourselves that we are not doing so hypocritically, if we be guilty of similar transgressions ourselves; in such a case, there could well be a finger pointing right back - and with sound reason!

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  40. Ok good points Rob.
    Perhaps it's up to others to justify if they have even handedness regarding leadership.
    From what I see if true there seems some question marks???

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    1. Thanks for this; I really appreciate your taking on board the points I've tried to make. What might broadly be called "discernment ministry" is an exceedingly difficult area to be involved in, which is perhaps why there are so very few people here in the UK as a whole who are so involved! Integrity and even handedness should certainly be a hallmark of any such endeavour, and we all need to keep a careful check on how we are operating. I'm sure that in certain instances, question marks could indeed be rightly applied. I hope that for myself I will be properly heedful if the Holy Spirit pulls me up on anything about my own work which needs addressing. It's all a very sharp learning curve...

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  41. Ps- last comment Rob.
    Looks like some churches and organisations have more faces than merthyr high street town clock when it comes to standards!

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  42. Would you like me to tell you the little story of right hand, left hand? The story of good and evil? H-A-T-E. It was with this left hand that old brother Cain struck the blow that laid his brother low. L-O-V-E. You see these fingers, dear hearts? These fingers has veins that run straight to the soul of man -- the right hand, friends, the hand of love.

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    1. Hi!

      Maybe I know you. Maybe I don't. That's always the way with anonymous contacts. Could you perhaps give me a context for this comment? Are you perhaps saying that hate governs this article? If so, I can assure you that this is most definitely not the case. It is loving to warn. Period. When Jesus warned, was it an act of hate... or an act of love? Maybe I'm reading your words wrongly? Please advise me if I am.

      Best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  43. Where does it say that Cain used his ‘left’ hand to slay Abel??
    God bless you Rob

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    1. Funnily enough, I had the same thought myself, but let it pass. When you think of it, he might have used a rock held in both hands! In any event, we really shouldn't be adding to the text in any way to make a point. When all is said and done, some folk don't know left from right, or right from wrong for that matter! Hate gets called love, and love gets called hate... It's a topsy-turvy fallen world...

      God bless you too!
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  44. And so another Church Plant of "New Beginnings", is headed for a place called Rhymney. As stated on Social Media. Not Good news!

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    1. Hi, and thank you for the heads-up on this development!

      Found the relevant post here, for anyone interested:
      https://www.richietaylor.org/single-post/2017/11/13/New-Church-Plant

      Idris Davies wrote a well-known poem, with the lines:
      And what will you give me?
      Say the sad bells of Rhymney.

      Taylor's answer? I'll give you counterfeit revivalism!

      Those sad bells of Rhymney are about to get even sadder with the breaking of this very bad news!

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  45. Oh dear, the circus is going to Rhymney! Praying that the plans will fall through and this will be stopped in its tracks. I dearly hope and pray that no more people will be led astray and exposed to apostasy than already has been with his false testimony. I have serious doubts as to whether richard taylor is even saved. Even though things looked promising for him in the early days he is actually being used by the enemy at this moment in time Very sad

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    1. Hi, and thank you for sharing your concerns about the planned extension of New Beginnings into the Rhymney Valley. I most sincerely hope for the sake of his eternal soul that Mr. Taylor once turned to the Lord in true penitence, but as a man disqualified by his adultery from any return to a position of church leadership, his refusal to accept due discipline demonstrates only a lack of repentance right now for how he has brought such reproach upon the Gospel.

      What we are seeing instead of humility and Godly sorrow is a proud determination to do precisely that which he is debarred from doing. It is obvious that he seeks to create a second Cwmbran, and relentlessly continue his campaign of counterfeit revivalism from his new Merthyr base, with Victory-style "campuses" across the Valleys. It's clear that he has learned absolutely nothing of true spiritual worth, and changed not one iota since being the renegade ringmaster of the Cwmbran circus!

      With best wishes in Him,
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  46. No-one condemns Taylor for his adultery (I hope not, anyway!) for God has provided a way of escape, has He not?
    I know that I was tempted once or twice! King David the sweet Psalmist of Israel was guiltier of far worse than Taylor (I hope!) yet he repented and followed the right course of action. May RT do the same? There is still time.
    Blessings.
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    1. Thank you, JL!

      We indeed do not stand in condemnation of Mr. Taylor for his adultery; we are all sinners saved by grace alone! Genuine repentance for his actions would completely qualify him for restoration to fellowship. But he remains disqualified from a position of leadership, a Scriptural exclusion which he is determined to ignore. He really does need to properly examine himself before God (as of course we all need to!), and exhibit humble acceptance of Scriptural discipline by doing the right thing and stepping down from his wrongfully held position at New Beginnings. As you say, there's still time. But the clock is ticking...

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  47. Hi Rob,
    I read this portion of an article regarding sin, and thought it aptly responds to JL's comments

    INESCAPABLE AND
    PAINFUL CONSEQUENCES OF SIN

    One thing is certain—sin always pays back both believers and unbelievers with guilt, shame, loneliness, confusion, emptiness, loss of purpose, and loss of rewards.

    The negative consequence engine for the Christian should never be thought of as punishment because Jesus has already been fully punished for the believer’s sins. Neither is it to be confused with God's corrective discipline of his wayward sons and daughters (Hebrews 12:6-17).

    David was forgiven: … “The Lord also has put away your sin …” (2 Samuel 12:13). But forgiveness NEVRR seems to take away the consequences of the sin.

    David grieved over the awfulness of his sin: “Against You, You only, have I sinned, and done this evil in Your sight …” (Psalm 51:4).

    David also had to endure the coming years of painful consequences, David was forgiven as he sincerely repented But David did Not continue WITH HIS REBELLION he proceeded to Love God fervently and in genuine humility he did not WILLFULLY continue to disobey God


    GOD BLESS



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    1. Hi, and thank you for passing on these insightful thoughts!

      God in His wonderful grace and mercy forgives us for our transgressions, but sincere and not a token repentance is absolutely necessary for the precious gift of His forgiveness to be granted. As you say, David was truly penitent, and did not continue in wilful disobedience. Mr. Taylor needs to demonstrate such honesty and step down, both for his own sake and for the sake of those who he is (mis)leading through his reprobate example.

      God bless you too!
      In Him,
      Rob.

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  48. Hi Rob
    Not sure if you have seen the book by Victor Paul Haynes 'Healed from broken' ? On sale at Amazon This is the guy at the centre of the Cwmbran false outpouring who appeared to get out of his chair and walk He seems to be getting on the Taylor train and making money from his salvation

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    1. Hi! I was aware that Mr. Haynes had written a book, but I haven't read it. (It's only on Kindle apparently, which I don't have anyway!) It would seem that for some reason he's now moved on from Victory to Freedom Church in Cwmbran, whose pastor, Robert King (a discernment devoid hyper-Charismatic) has written the foreword. Freedom Church is well up the proverbial creek without a paddle, with Mr. King having hosted the truly appalling Todd Bentley, and also the false prophetess Kathie Walters of Elijah List infamy.

      An excerpt from the book can be read online at Amazon.co.uk, and what is particularly interesting is that Mr. Haynes claims that he was confined to a wheelchair. I can only say that at the time of his "healing" this was apparently not the case, with people having testified to the fact that he did indeed use a wheelchair but was not confined to it.

      Looks like it's not only Mr. Haynes, but Mr. King also, who are looking to play upon the dubious circumstances of his centrality to the "Welsh Outpouring" deception!

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  49. Rob,

    The tentacles spread a long way from Cwmbran. Scroll down on the facebook page below, to see the charlatan from the former TLC Cwmbran over here and in all his glory.

    https://m.facebook.com/AgapeDordogne

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    1. Thanks very much for the heads-up on this!

      Wow! The people this Agape Fellowship are huge fans of is a veritable Who's Who of the preachers and prophets of a different Jesus and a different Gospel! Apostates R'Us! Mr King will fit very nicely into such a setting, that's for sure!

      With very best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  50. It is an A to Z of apostates and charlatons. The french lap it all up as they know no different. They laugh at Mr Kings performances, as I suspect the Bulgarians do at RT.

    The 'pastor' isn't a pastor, no biblical training, and heavily influenced by Mr K, the McClellands of Freedom Fire ministries and Heidi Baker and Bethel church. I pray the scales fall from my french brothers and sisters eyes and they see the truth of all this. And likewise those in Dowlais Wales.

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    1. The strong delusion that God said He would send on those who do not love Truth is coming in big time, and it really is on a global scale! I echo your prayer that the scales fall from the eyes of the deceived, while there is still time for them to flee falsehood. The clock is ticking relentlessly!

      Just a little earlier I watched a video featuring Robert King in Florida. (My, the Sunshine State sure does welcome apostates with open arms!) Mr.King was relating how he's twice heard the audible voice of God speaking to him at night when awake, and how his wife told him he was lifting up from the bed in his sleep! (Interesting that, when Scripture tells us: "Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness." - 1 Thess. 5:5)

      God audibly addressing you, Mr. King? Levitation, Mr. King?
      You really need to pay urgent heed to 1 John 4:1! As do all those who you are leading into the ditch...

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  51. Don't be too hard on Robert.
    That said, painting with a broad brush that is, if you go into many hyper charismatic churches. And I would put VC into that group as well. Some times it can be like going into a spiritualist church with some of the stuff that goes on. I know be to both!

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    1. Nothing personal about Robert King; I've never met the man. But he is so deeply deceived as a church leader, and thereby passing on that deception to others, that a "hard" warning is necessary. He himself imparts a counterfeiting spirit of darkness masquerading as light, and also brings in similar channelers like Todd Bentley and Kathie Walters (who would have us believe that she once rode pillion on Jesus's golden motorbike across the sky!)

      Hyper-Charismatic pedestal-perchers such as these are exceedingly dangerous to the Body of Christ, seducing people into following a false lead which takes them further and further away from Truth, and trusting instead in fables and fabrications and soulish sensationalism.

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  52. Hi Rob,
    Totally agree with you, if you put all this Charismatic nonsense alongside the truth of Jesus then people should Obviously see it for what it is, total Fakery.

    1. Jesus never bragged of
    Miracles, he usually told people not to say anything, and dissapeared into the crowds.
    2. He never Charged people to listen to his teachings, he fed the five thousand.
    3. He never advertised His healings
    4. he told the disciples not to take anything with them when they preached the gospel.
    5. Jesus said the perverted and corrupt would seek after signs and wonders.
    To sum up, these congregations are allowing themselves to follow men, not Jesus, they all enjoy one foot in the world and love their sin, I know of Pastors who turned a blind eye to people living together, I have witnessed all sorts of carryings on, yet when you say anything they misuse the scripture of " Do not Judge". They love to misuse that verse. Conclusion they love the World and their Sin!! by continuing in this deception, congregations and their Pastors are on very sandy, shaky, ground. If they continue on this wide path they are likly to be swept away, whilst thinking all is well. They have Not heeded the many warnings given.

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    1. Thank you! Yes, folks are blindly following men rather than the Word that is written and the Word that was made flesh. If they diligently read, truly believed, and acted upon the Scriptures, they would see these great pretenders for the reprobates that they really are, and denounce them rather than applaud them. As Jesus Himself said, it is an evil and adulterous generation that seeks after a sign. The multitudes chasing after a sign today are just such a sinful and Faith-betraying generation, considering themselves to be getting ever closer to God when the awful reality is that they are getting ever further away from Him. May the Lord in His mercy grant them the eyesalve of discernment to anoint their blurred spiritual eyes, that they might come to see their very great folly while there's still time for them to do so!

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  53. To Tyler hathaway28
    The stage being laid out by the new beginning brigade is basically 2chronicles29 , after sixteen years a good king turns up calls in his favours tells all to repent and turn back to the lord .
    Being new to the faith i would suggest that you seek fellowship and teachers with a more grounded Biblical knowledge and sounder doctrine that is or is not , going to be echoed from the latest new thing at Merthyr .
    As to the , men in the area with the few concerns i have happened to have browsed over on this blog , maybe time to get of out and preach the whole gospel of Christ ? Maybe the lord has delivered them into your doorstep for a reason .
    We're quite busy here up north Wales but I'm hoping none of your (temporary) guests speak Cymraeg .

    Ac am yr angylion y mae yn dywedyd, Yr hwn sydd yn gwneuthur ei angylion yn ysbrydion, a'i weinidogion yn fflam dân.
    Hebreaid 1:7 BWM

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    1. Hi Andrew!

      Thanks for your comment, though I must confess that I find it rather cryptic!

      Best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  54. Hi Rob I agree and have no idea what Andrew above is saying? Very cryptic Impossible to say if hes agreeing or disagreeing with Tyler Oh well

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    1. Hi!

      I was quite baffled as to precisely what point it was that Andrew was trying to make! Thank you for the reassurance that it's not just me who couldn't get the exact meaning out of his comment!

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  55. Sorry bro, we all know welsh is the heavenly language. So you must pray in tongues then. Please remember that you must have an interpreter when using tongues!
    NEWS FLASH - R.T. will be on TBN soon!! Looking forward to it.

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    1. Very droll! I really do wonder who it was who first came up with the notion that the language of Heaven is Cymraeg!

      Anyway, Richard Taylor and TBN? A match made in... well... not Heaven, that's for sure!

      Best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  56. C'mon now, your Welsh is getting a little sloppy!
    You spell 'hell' with a H not a W!!!

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    1. Yes, well, it was just "well" as in "well, what d'ya think?" I thought readers might well work out where RT's match with the Total Blasphemy Network (which I personally call the True Believer's Nightmare) was made! Well made, I'd say, as both are well up the creek without a paddle.

      Best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  57. Did you see the dynamic Richard Taylor on TBN. Great to see him, the church needs pastors with real leadership qualities. OK he did some stupid stuff, but great to see him back. Shame he left VC, he should have stayed and done his time out of the pulpit. I have no doubts he would have been back in leadership sooner than the five years. Cwmbrans loss is the vallies gain. I know that people that don't have his gifts of leadership and speaking ability get upset.

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    1. Seriously?

      Your definition of stupid is my definition of apostate. The very last thing The Valleys need is counterfeit revivalist Richard Taylor. Funnily enough, he moved out of The Valleys at Blaina, Abertillery to live in up-market Llanfoist, Abergavenny - a world away from Dowlais but totally in keeping with his prosperity gospel propensities.

      In Him,
      Rob.

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  58. Oh dear, another one who cant tell the difference between dynamism and arrogance. Has this person forgotten how Taylor tries to tear down and ridicule in order to make himself look better? This man hasnt even come near to repentance for his very public multiple sin. It is biblical that he should never be in a position of leadership ever again. The 'qualities' he possesses is arrogance and ignorance.

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    1. Hi, and thank you for this all too accurate comment!

      It's incredible that Mr. Taylor's supporters can still put him high on a pedestal, and fan his inglorious feet despite all that he has wilfully done to bring the Gospel into disrepute and tarnish the Lord's Name with his "outpouring" deception and his adultery. Truly the blind follow the blind into the awaiting ditch! Apostates gather apostates to them, and sadly it's no surprise to find people like the above Taylor fan singing his praises instead of holding to the Word of God by which it is evident that he is debarred from holding a leadership position ever again. Who knows, perhaps that eulogy was written by his greatest admirer... himself?! :)

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  59. Some brilliant news from Swansea!
    The teaching from the apostate church under the umbrella of "New Wine Cymru" has had to cancel its "One Worship Conference" on Jan 26/27th due to lack of support!

    Here is their announcement:

    "ONE" Worship Conference
    Hi! Quick announcement.
    So sorry to let you know that the NWC & SOW ‘ONE’ conference has been cancelled. Due to the low number of bookings we have had to cancel this event.
    We look forward to seeing you next time. Sorry to disappoint, we are disappointed too! Such treats in store, never mind, here’s to next time!

    The New Wine Cymru & SOW Team.

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    1. Hi, and thank you for sharing this most heartening news!

      A great encouragement to hear that NWC's relentless drive for false unity has ignominiously stalled, with few takers for their latest planned ecumenical extravaganza! Dare we hope that Christians are getting wise to NWC's apostate ways?

      Well, in any event, certainly not all of us are disappointed, but well pleased with this announcement!

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  60. You slag off RT, but at least he's there must Sundays!
    Others are off every year globetrotting to Africa on safari, loops sorry mission trip. Then annual 2 weeks in the US

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  61. Ps- forgot the annual trip to the Philippines! If you point one finger you could fined two or three pointing back.

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    1. Hi Rob,
      Oh Dear! The Old Chestnut of the three fingers quote yet again!! Aaaagh!! Why do people cling on to this nonsensical phrase? inorder to validate their shortcomings(or sin) lets call it what it is. sin!
      No wonder the Church is in such a luke warm mess. Some bros/Sis's "pussyfoot around sin". Lord Help us!
      Many godly men in the Bible judged others.

      24. Acts 13:10 and said, “You who are full of all deceit and fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, will you not cease to make crooked the straight ways of the Lord?”



      Everyone does what is right in their own eyes. No one who is living in wickedness wants their sin exposed. God’s Word will convict the world. Many people don’t want you judging others because they know they are not right with God and they don’t want you judging them.

      25. John 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed.

      I am happy to have three fingers pointing back at me, if it means getting another brother/sister to stop being in denial and at least acknowledge their continual sin.God Bless Rob.

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    2. Hi, and thank you for this thought-provoking comment!

      As it is written, "Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge: but he that hateth reproof is brutish. A good man obtaineth favour of the Lord: but a man of wicked devices will he condemn. A man shall not be established by wickedness: but the root of the righteous shall not be moved." (Proverbs 12:1-3). Also, "My son, despise not the chastening of the Lord; neither be weary of his correction." (Proverbs 3:11).

      So many believers are indeed in deep denial, despising the Lord's chastening and weary of his correction! Bottom line for us all must be the unchanging truths of the Lord as revealed in His everlastingly unchangeable Word, by which all things are to be measured and judged. In a nutshell:

      " All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." (2 Timothy 3:16).

      God bless you too!
      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  62. PPS- charismatic Pentecostals are so so gullible Rob. Perhaps they had any common sense knocked out of them when being slain in the spirit. Perhaps the banged their heads on the floor!! I see visions of palm trees says the pastor, the lord wants to send me off to the Philippines once a year please buy into my vision

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    1. Hi again, and thanks for these additional comments!

      I'd much appreciate it if you could clue me in as to what pastor it is who you are referring to? I'm genuinely interested; Richard Taylor is very far from being my only concern, as the 100+ articles on this site testify to. I can heartily agree with you about the gullibility of Charismatic Christians; this blog exists not to slag anyone off, but to provide information for people to evaluate exactly what it is that is being said and done in the Church at large by its leaders, that is contrary to the Faith that was once and for all time delivered to the saints.

      Best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

      P.S. Mr. Taylor is himself not exactly averse to "mission" trips abroad. Not slagging him off, just stating a fact.

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  63. Hi Rob, Victory Church Cwmbran has have carried the tradition of globetrotting mission trips to the sun very enthusiastically.
    Sunny shine and palm trees yes please!!
    Mission kit includes sun glasses, sun cream, swimming trunks, sun hat, and after sun cream.
    Funny enough these people from wherever never converts never turn up at Cwmbran on Sunday. You are lucky to see the Pastor from his various trips!! I work for a living and am expected to do contracted hrs, clock in clock out if I want to get paid! These globetrotters seem to answer to know one.

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    1. Hi!

      I'm guessing the reference here is to Clyde Thomas, Lead Pastor of Victory Cwmbran? Victory was built by Richard Taylor on the sand, all the while making out that it was the Rock. His successor, a man devoid of discernment, just continued to follow suit and build on the beach. Just spent a little while browsing his Twitter, which reveals much about the man and his influences, more than enough to show that he should be given just as wide a berth as his wayward predecessor. They assuredly answer to no-one for their misleadership of the Body.

      Best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  64. Spot on detective Rob.
    He has big plans!
    The trouble is VC has lots of hangovers from the old ways.
    Time for me to look elsewhere.

    As regarding Clyde means well but is not a leader. Always on his phone no time to talk.

    Now looking elsewhere

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    1. A very wise decision, my friend!

      My sincere best wishes to you in your search!

      In Him,
      Rob.

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  65. Just been reading over the last couple of comments ie VC globetrotting which made me laugh.
    Very true butt, very butt.
    Always being asked to give to this or buy into that vision. Yet, I struggle to treat the kids to an ice cream at Barry Island.
    While some off globetrotting, well put butt

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    1. These guys will justify absolutely anything they want to; they have an alternative reality. Isn't it strange how their service to the Lord always seems to involve the betterment of themselves! "Thus saith the Lord!" declare the false prophets. And the people fall for it every time. They may trot all over the globe, but they cannot ever get one inch away from themselves and the consequences of all they say and do to so besmirch the true Gospel. No sunshades will shield them from the brightness of His coming!

      Well past time to wake up and smell the coffee, folks!

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  66. Well Rob, guess who’s off globetrotting?
    I say i say i say joke.
    Rob why do certain churches have photos of the Pastors in the foyer for?
    I don’t know why do certain churches have photos of the Pastors in the foyer for?
    So they don’t forget what the Pastors looks like!
    Ah yes I’m remember him, he pops in now and then.

    How many day’s holiday do these guys get?
    Don’t think some have done one full month of preaching in the church yet.
    It’s ridiculous, yet people say nothing.

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    1. Ha ha! Very good!

      Yes, it's strange how some shepherds don't seem to spend too much time with their flock. Well, some might call them shepherds, but the word "hirelings" comes to mind...

      Best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  67. Hi Rod,
    What’s your take on this little lot taken off facebook…
    Exposing the Apostasy in The VineYard Movement
    On face book!!!
    ‘’Exposing the Apostasy in The VineYard Movement
    1 February at 10:16 ·
    Gospel
    EXPOSING THE APOSTASY IN THE VINEYARD MOVEMENT·THURSDAY, 1 FEBRUARY 2018
    Gospel What is it if not the Truth?
    Today the gospel is what is taught to us by career minded pastors and church leaders who start churches proclaiming them to be ordained by God.
    Let me ask you Did Yeshua preach in churches, synogogues or in the open countryside on the side of the mountains shores of the lake?
    Today like in The Vineyard Church Movement GOD IS FOR SALE.
    You may agree or disagree and thats why I have set this page up. I was pushed out of the Vineyard Church for questioning many of their activities. Does this sound like a Bible based church who have an outreach but if you question them you get pushed out?’’

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    1. Hi!

      I've trawled through the whole of this FB page, but what strikes me about it all is that while it's titled "Exposing the Apostasy in the Vineyard Movement" it simply doesn't!

      Apart from one mention of John and Ellie Mumford meeting with the Pope, there's nothing highlighting Vineyard-specific apostasy. The page seems to have far more to say about holding the Sabbath correctly and celebrating Christmas (in a general Church context) than about the Vineyard. Not even a single mention of John Wimber, Toronto, the Kansas City Prophets...not even a link to a relevant article like: http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/wimber/general.htm or http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/jwimber.html

      Sounded promising, but it's not delivering, at least not to date.

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  68. It's obvious that someone on here is now taking pot shots at Clyde for going on a mission trip to Uganda. You come across as some little disgruntled sissy. Your obviously someone who used to go to VC but didn't get the 'recognition' you so desperately wanted! Clyde is the real deal. What's wrong with posting a few photos of your mission trip abroad?? Do you expect to see photos of him looking like Hudson Taylor labouring amongst the natives with sweat dripping from his face? Your just one of those moaners who occupies a seat in church and thinks you know it all. Have you ever carried the burden of leadership? Do you know what it's like to bear the weight of a church on your shoulders and intercede daily for the flock? NO! I didn't think so. Keep your little moanie comments to yourself and start focussing on the real apostates. Get behind Clyde and thank God for a genuine, authentic man of God who isn't in it for personal gain. Take your gripe to the Lord in prayer and ask him for the grace to overcome your issues. Perhaps it might do you good to examine yourself and say "search me oh Lord. See if there be any wicked way in me". How many holidays do these guys Get??? Not enough when they have to put up with draining moaners and little spiritual babies like you.

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    1. Hi!

      Astonishing! Do you really think you're going to win over this person and convince him that he should remain at Victory, with this kind of talk? You are simply demonstrating that his decision to leave is absolutely the right one.

      Regards, in Him,
      Rob.

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  69. I don't personally go to Victory but the person who was moaning about Clyde clearly did. He doesn't sound like someone who needs 'winning over' as you say. I think this is more like someone who needs open rebuke and told to get a grip. All that nonsense about pastors having their photos in the foyers and not preaching a full month. This sounds like one of those moanie church members who didn't get their own way and expects the pastor to be a door mat, not a shepherd. Perhaps the pastor didnt preach in the style they preferred. Perhaps the preacher said something that offended this person. Whicheverit is, they are now using your blog as a platform to moan moan moan! His critical spirit is clear to see. You all just enjoy slagging off Victory because of its past history with certain individuals. It's turned the corner now, GET OVER IT! Find a new topic to moan about. Don't get mad at something because it's of God. You might end up kicking against the goads.

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    1. Hmmm... Moaning and slagging off and getting mad... Isn't that what you are doing yourself?

      Let's not forget that Clyde Thomas rose to prominence on the back of the counterfeit "Outpouring" engineered at Victory, of which he was the mouthpiece with his video "news" clips. Victory has never taken ownership of or admitted to its shady "past history" as you refer to it. Victory's foundations were laid by Richard Taylor in the sand and not on the Rock of all Truth; hardly a sound edifice for Clyde Thomas to continue to build upon.

      Regards, in Him,
      Rob.

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  70. Hi Rob,
    I totally agree with your comments to the above individual. How can they possibly condemn the other person with such a hyper critical response is beyond me. I think their Critical Spirit is flourishing not the other persons, and it’s there for all to observe.
    Oh dear, this persons spiritual state is evident with comments like “ Pastors are not Door Mats, but Shepherds!!! Well, ponder on this Scripture Mr/Ms Hyper-Critical and learn that Jesus became as Nothing Even Less than a Door Mat.
    Philippians 2:7 Rather, he made himself NOTHING by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.
    Blessings In him Rob.

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    1. Hi, and many thanks for voicing your backing!

      It is just so ironic that this person totally fails to see how his/her words are far more a sad reflection upon their own spirit than upon the person who is being criticized in such a graceless manner.

      As you say, the Lord made himself NOTHING, whereas too many church leaders are making themselves SOMETHING.

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  71. Hi Rob,
    Says it all Rob.
    Glad I left now butt.
    Fortunately there are some good churches in Newport and Cardiff
    God bless

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    1. Yes, it does indeed say it all!

      May your search for a new fellowship be a fruitful one!

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  72. Yes and I bet the pastors are glad you left too butt! I guarantee you'll be disgruntled no matter which church you go to. You'd probably have found something to moan about in the upper room on the day of Pentecost! Imagine complaining about a pastor who works his backside off, does his best to run a church and inspire his team , preaches the Gospel, recognises the importance of reaching both his community and the world, backs global missions (and actually goes on them unlike some pastors), stands up and speaks against false teaching, believes in others...I could go on. If my previous comment sounded hyper critical to you maybe you didn't grasp the tone I meant to say it in. Such is the nature of blogs like these. But at the end of the day this thread of comments started off by addressing the spirit of false revival, now your slagging off a leader and a church who are doing nothing except trying to fulfil the great commission as best they can. And you Mr Thomas, who gives you the right or authority to say that Victory still haven't "apologised" for what they did. THEY DON'T NEED TO!Haha. What on earth do you expect them to do? Put up a big post on Facebook and say "Hey folks we're so sorry we had a move of God here 5 years ago. If any of you were offended by it please forgive us". Or perhaps you expect them to devote a whole Sunday sermon to apologising for what the Lord did through the outpouring they had. If you're going to be a watchman and look out for stuff that is harmful to Christians, you need look no further than your own doorstep in Merthyr. Because what's taking place there just now is only the tip of the apostasy iceberg.

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    1. You can believe in Victory and the so-called "outpouring" if you wish to. That is your prerogative. You can think they don't need to apologize. That is also your prerogative. But please understand that I have just as much right and authority to say that Victory needs to take ownership of and admit to their shady past as you have to say that they don't. We all have the right to be wrong! Accept that your comment sounded hyper critical because it was indeed hyper critical, and your tone was fully grasped. You are not misunderstood; you just won't take ownership of your own words, choosing instead to complain that "such is the nature of blogs like these."

      While you say that Clyde Thomas stands up and speaks against false teaching, let's remember that he was absolutely at the heart of the false spirit of revival at Cwmbran, standing alongside and in agreement with Messrs. Taylor and Parsons.

      Isn't this very article on Richard Taylor and New Beginnings doing precisely that which you are telling me to do, looking at what's happening on my doorstep here in Merthyr Tydfil? I'll certainly agree with you on one thing, that this is only the tip of the apostasy iceberg!

      Regards, in Him,
      Rob.

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  73. Rob, that persons comments are typical of a Works based religion. COMMENTS LIKE :-"Pastors working their backsides off etc etc. they should NOT be elevating mortal man but elevate Christ.They should stop bragging in others so called good works,and get a grip! have any suffered to the point of death for their faith? at vc? The disciples knew about suffering and hard work they were glad and did not boast.If your concious about your good works then your heart is all wrong.
    You may not want certain persons in your church but Jesus wants them and died for
    them.









    Works based faith and pastor idolatory will get you everywhere {NOT}!!!

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    1. One of the great tragedies and mega-mistakes of the Church is that men are put on pedestals. Such a thing is asking for Trouble with a capital T. We are all as nothing, and He is everything. What comes to mind is John 3:30, "He must increase, but I must decrease." Something that every single one of us should take to heart!

      Best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  74. I personally think it wasn't Victory that had a shady past, it was 2 of its leaders at the time who were behaving shadily . This is where many people go wrong. Remember, the church is not the building itself but the people who attend there to worship Jesus and fellowship from week to week. Are you telling us they need to apologise? I think not. The 2 leaders I alluded to YES too right they should apologise. Clyde T has done a great job in steering the church away from the rocks and back on to the Gospel course. Anyway, at least you and I can agree on some things. It is only the tip of the iceberg. I suggest that people focus on calling out the stuff that is clearly false, misleading and damaging to believers. There's plenty of it around. My prayer for the person who was complaining about photos in a foyer is that he/she will cease from such petty stuff, get plugged into a good church and get behind the leadership.

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    1. I will simply say that there is a very real question of collusion and culpability on the part of Richard Taylor's successor at Victory. But I'm pleased that we can agree on the question of Messrs. Taylor and Parsons. Taylor continues his wayward way from his new base here in Merthyr Tydfil; I'm about to finalize and publish a new article relating to his 'Revive 2018' event coming up in just a couple of weeks' time.

      Best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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