Sunday, 27 May 2018

"APOSTOLIC PROPHET TO THE NATIONS" DR. SHARON STONE IN EBBW VALE FOR 'LOVE WALES' CONFERENCE, JUNE 22/23, 2018.

"A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land; The prophets prophesy falsely, 
and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: 
and what will ye do in the end thereof?"
(Jeremiah 5:30-31)

"Should've gone to Specsavers!"


SHARON STONE, 'THE ELIJAH LIST' AND THE NEW APOSTOLIC REFORMATION

Sharon Stone is coming to Ebbw Vale. No, not the Hollywood "A-Lister" but rather the Counterfeit Kingdom "Elijah-Lister." For anyone unfamiliar with The Elijah List, I should perhaps here explain that it is, in a nutshell, "a non-denominational Christian prophetic website created by Steve Shultz in 1997 with 135,000 subscribers as of August 2012." (Wiki); it has been most aptly described by Sandy Simpson of The Apologetics Co-ordination Team as "the biggest distributor of false prophecies in cyberspace." (See: www.deceptioninthechurch.com/elijahlist.html)

The Elijah List is an extremely influential organ of the hyper-Charismatic "Apostolic-Prophetic" movement, which vigorously promotes the seriously erroneous concept that God is restoring the offices of Apostle and Prophet to the Church, as the highest tiers of Church governance in the Fivefold Ministry, as they interpret Ephesians 4:11-13. It is the underlying essential ethos of the New Apostolic Reformation, which is spearheading a deadly deception which is seducing many thousands into following a path which takes them away from Biblical Truth and into the farthest reaches of apostasy.

Berkshire-based Dr. Sharon Stone, whose utterances are enthusiastically hyped by The Elijah List, is such a "prophet" within the New Apostolic Reformation, which to all intents and purposes is simply the contemporary expression of what has over the years been variously known as Dominionism/Kingdom Now/Joel's Army/Manifested Sons of God/Latter Rain, and is intimately connected to the Charismatic Renewal/Third Wave of the Holy Spirit/Signs and Wonders movement. Doctrine is downplayed, experience is elevated, extra-Biblical revelation is unquestioned, and what seals the deal as far as its unyielding unsoundness is concerned is that Biblical eschatology has been dismissed. These modern-day, self-proclaimed "Apostles and Prophets" have dared to re-write the inerrant Word of God concerning the End-Times in favour of the fleshly fable that is Dominionism. 

Back in 1948, the "Latter Rain Revival" kicked off in Canada, its adherents teaching an entirely different eschatology to that which the Bible presents. Restoring, as they saw it, the Fivefold Ministry offices, the Church under the headship of the Apostles and Prophets would be militant and victorious. Central to this worldview was the belief in "the manifested sons of God," aka "Joel's Army," i.e. believers - in reality DISbelievers - who would come into the full stature of Jesus, being as He was in His Incarnation, and themselves confronting Antichrist and establishing the Kingdom on Earth ahead of Christ's return. It is this 70-year-old delusion, once quite correctly held to be heretical, which has now re-surfaced in the professing Church under the banner of the New Apostolic Reformation. A disease long in remission, this most terrible spiritual cancer has returned with greater malignancy than ever, and is very rapidly spreading unchecked through the entire Body.



The NAR believes that it has a mandate to take over all aspects of human endeavour on the planet, thereby ushering in the Kingdom on Earth PRIOR to the return of Jesus Christ. This is trumpeted as "reclaiming the seven mountains," a process which in their completely unorthodox, Revelation-rejecting worldview, will mean that things will get better and better and lighter and lighter, rather than worse and worse and darker and darker as the Scriptures tell us in no uncertain terms will actually be the case! The NAR sees the world as coming under their complete control, each of "the seven mountains" being successfully scaled. Business, government, family, religion, media, education and entertainment will be taken over and come under the headship of these supposedly restored Apostles and Prophets. 

The stark reality of the matter is that the Church has no such mandate. Our brief is simply to be salt and light and rescue brands from the burning through the solid sharing of the Gospel. It is the King Himself who establishes the Kingdom on Earth; He is no mere passive spectator taking a back seat while human effort wins the day. Such a notion is as preposterous as it is perverse, and plays straight into the hands of the Antichrist and his agenda for domination of the Earth. The NAR is a powerful part of the great Falling Away which precedes the emergence of the Man of Sin, hailing its apostasy as anointing and its revolt against End-Times Truth as revival. The Lord Himself is most certainly not expecting to return to a Gospel-loving world that has enthusiastically embraced Him. Quite the reverse in fact! As He very ominously stated:


"When the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?"
(Luke 18:8)



SHARON STONE AND ACPE: A FALSE PROPHET AMONG FALSE PROPHETS

One notable manifestation of the NAR is ACPE, the Apostolic Council of Prophetic Elders. The late C. Peter Wagner, regarded and revered as the Presiding Apostle of the New Apostolic Reformation was unsurprisingly a key member. We need to note well that "Apostolic Prophet to the nations" Dr. Sharon Stone and her husband Greg Black are members of this elite group, alongside a whole host of Dominionist deceivers such as Bill Hamon, Chuck Pierce, Dutch Sheets, Tommy Tenney, Lou Engle, James Goll, the aforementioned Steve Shultz, and Cindy Jacobs who chairs its annual get-together. Something I have previously written about ACPE I feel is really important to repeat here. Friends, please consider very carefully what Cindy Jacobs revealed on one of her 'God Knows' TV programmes about the ACPE summit:


"Yes, in fact, you know... as I chair the Prophetic Round Table, every year I go back and I will pull out the prophecy from the year before, because if we're prophets, then we need to look and see IF WE GOT IT RIGHT; IF WE DID NOT GET IT RIGHT, WE NEED TO GO BACK AND CORRECT IT."

SAY WHAT???!!! "IF WE DID NOT GET IT RIGHT, WE NEED TO GO BACK AND CORRECT IT???!!!" THE BIBLICAL TEST OF A TRUE PROPHET OF GOD IS TO GET IT RIGHT. EVERY TIME. 100% RIGHT.

"When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."
(Deuteronomy 18:22)


OUT OF HER OWN MOUTH, CINDY JACOBS INADVERTENTLY HAS CONFESSED THAT SHE AND THE WHOLE APOSTOLIC COUNCIL ARE FALSE PROPHETS! A TRUE PROPHET COULD NOT HAVE GOT IT WRONG IN THE FIRST PLACE, NEVER MIND LOOK TO "CORRECT" A PROPHECY WHICH WAS LATER SHOWN TO BE FALSE!


"Oops! Slipped up a bit there. Hope no-one noticed!"



SHARON STONE AND 5-STAR "JOEL'S ARMY" GENERAL, BILL HAMON

ACPE associate Bishop Bill Hamon is the founder of the Dominionist organization called Christian International Ministries, the UK/Europe wing of which was established and is led by - well, what d'ya know! - Sharon Stone. Given this very close and comfortable collusion, it should come as no surprise that she cites Bill Hamon as being her father in the Lord, as well as a 5-star general and the father of modern-day prophets. (Ref. Facebook entry for Sept. 30 2017, and https://youtu.be/giYSozoswHA). The Joel's Army/Manifested Sons of God beliefs of Bill Hamon are all too evident in the following quotes, in which the letters R-T are an abbreviation for Resurrection/Translation:


"The positive purpose of the R-T is to enable the army of the Lord to finalize the war against all evil. The army of the Lord will progress on in the war until they have accomplished all they can in their limited mortal bodies. The R-T is for the purpose of immortalizing their bodies. This will remove all the earthly limitations, thereby enabling the saints unlimited abilities. They will be able to travel in all space realms of the heavenlies the same as Jesus and the angels do now. They can move in and out of all dimensions of the natural and spiritual realms as Jesus did in His resurrected flesh-and-bone body."

"God's great end-time army is being prepared to execute God's written Judgments with Christ's victory and divine judgment decrees that have already been established in heaven. The time is set when they will be administered and executed on earth through God's saintly army. All that is destined and needed will be activated during God's restorational Army of the Lord movement..."
('Apostles, Prophets and the Coming Moves of God' - Bill Hamon)

It will be clearly seen here that in Hamon's worldview, the Church's purpose is not so much to lovingly preach the Gospel, as to militantly wage war against evil, in which she will be ultimately successful consequent to this Restorationist army becoming translated into immortal bodies with all the unlimited abilities of the Lord Himself. It is this Army of the Lord Movement, aka the New Apostolic Reformation, which having itself defeated evil will have the authority to judge and to punish perceived evil-doers, presumably meaning anyone who will not bow to the assumed lordship of the NAR's Apostles and Prophets. (This will of course include born-again believers who question their control, who will be branded as evil, Spirit-resisting rebels, to be similarly warred against and overcome).

Here are a couple more quotes from Hamon's books to underline this vital point about the delusional, Scripture-ditching "Manifested Sons of God" heresy that he teaches, with Christ's incredible impotency to effect His Second Coming until the Apostles and Prophets (like Hamon and Stone) have first "matured" the Church and won the Kingdom for Him:


"At that time the sons of God will be fully manifested on the earth. Widespread spiritual warfare will result with the Sons of God doing battle with Satan and company, the non-Christian nations of this world will also be defeated. Once the earth has been subdued, Jesus will come back to earth and be given the Kingdom that has been won for Him by this "manchild company." The Manifested Sons of God doctrine teaches that these sons will be equal to Jesus Christ: immortal, sinless, perfected sons who have partaken of the divine nature. They will have every right to be called gods and will be called gods."
('Prophets and the Prophetic Movement' - Bill Hamon)

"Christ CANNOT return until His ascension gift ministries 
have brought the church into full manhood." 
('Prophets and Personal Prophecy' - Bill Hamon; my capitalization for emphasis)

GIVEN THE CLOSENESS OF THEIR LONG FRIENDSHIP AND PARTNERSHIP, IT WILL SURELY BE QUITE OBVIOUS THAT BILL HAMON'S WORLDVIEW IS ALSO SHARON STONE'S. AS THE WORD SAYS, "CAN TWO WALK TOGETHER, EXCEPT THEY BE AGREED?" (Amos 3:3)


CONCLUSION

It was five years ago this month, back in May 2013, that the very first article appeared on this site. Five years of careful observation, research and analysis have served to convince me beyond the shadow of a doubt that there is both an unswerving ambition and a very active agenda for revival in Wales. But I regret that I have to say that this determined push for "revival" is not birthed of the Holy Spirit, but rather is of a deeply Satanic nature. Capitalizing on Welsh (and many other) Christians' desire to see a new 1904/1905-style move of God, the Enemy has an ongoing subtle (and sometimes not so subtle!) strategy to engineer a counterfeit revival here, a move which will be hailed as Heaven-sent but in fact comes courtesy of Hell. Wales would be the epicentre of a major spiritual seismic disturbance, the tremors of which would be felt globally.

This coming Conference at Love Wales' new Mission Centre at the Festival Church in Ebbw Vale is seriously bad news for Wales, in progressing the Dominionist agenda here. I'd like to think that this group was just being ignorantly undiscerning in their choice of keynote speaker; however, when the following blurb about their guest openly appears on their website, it would seem that they are wilfully NAR complicit:


"As a passionate apostolic, prophetic minister she is being used to gather, equip and mobilize many to develop new Kingdom Paradigms and a Supernatural Lifestyle."

In any event, Marilyn Harry and her 'Love Wales' mission team have bought heavily into the bogus, cwtched up to the counterfeit, allied themselves with apostasy, and in doing so are answerable before God. May their eyes be opened to such a lamentable betrayal of the Faith once and for all time delivered; Wales is in desperate need of undiluted Truth, not Dominionist "new Kingdom Paradigms" delusion! The self-proclaimed Apostles and Prophets of the New Apostolic Reformation are in the business of relentlessly re-defining what it means to be a Christian, and denying and shamelessly re-writing what the Bible expressly teaches concerning the End-Times.

IN THEIR BRAZEN TEACHING AGAINST BIBLICAL ESCHATOLOGICAL PROPHECY, THESE NAR "PROPHETS" DETERMINEDLY CONTRADICT THE WORD OF GOD, SOMETHING WHICH NO TRUE PROPHET WOULD - OR INDEED COULD - EVER DO!

Finally, friends, on this most serious note let us diligently and most urgently remember what the Book of Revelation warns concerning those who would erase its Spirit-breathed words:


"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, 
God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, 
and from the things which are written in this book."
(Revelation 22:19)




141 comments:

  1. Ezekiel 13 v 9


    9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and who give lying divinations. They shall not be in the council of my people, nor be enrolled in the register of the house of Israel, nor shall they enter the land of Israel. And you shall know that I am the Lord God.

    The secular world is being led astray by all manner of perversions, the minds of the people are being corrupted and in particular brainwashed to accept evil as good and what is good as evil.
    The Church is under the same onslaught especially here in Wales, full to brimming with the doctrine of demons. The false preachers and pastors call us haters, who endeavour to expose them. These false prophets delight in leading people astray, they are full of selfish pride, full of worldly ambition, unable to hide their greed or pride, pompous deceivers, bragging that God is blessing them in front of their enemies, yet they fail to remember God allowed them to fall spectacularly, and make no mistake God will allow it to happen again. God is not mocked. These false pastors and prophets will be judged more harshly by the Lord for leading people astray. God help them if they do not repent, and fall at the foot of the cross and turn from their ongoing wicked ways.

    Great article Rob thanks for keeping us informed God bless you. God help and protect us against these massive deceptions.

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    1. Hi, and many thanks for this most relevant Scripture and for your own all too pertinent observations, to which I can only say 'Amen!'

      I really appreciate the encouragement - God bless you too!
      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  2. Rob, what an eye opening article. One of the Red Flags for me and should alert many, is the comment on the loveWales website stating that “this visitor to Wales brings out the Great in others”. When did Jesus say we should seek Greatness? This one statement amongst the other obvious heresies proves to me it is all worldly and man made not Christ centered. Avoid run for the Hills. Your articles are so well researched and always eagerly awaited. Thank you for this alert.

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    1. Hi, and many thanks for this comment!

      All worldly and man-made indeed. All of the flesh and of self and of pride. An evil and adulterous generation is seeking a sign, and to have their itching ears tickled. "The prophets prophesy falsely... and my people love to have it so!" lamented Jeremiah in his day. Not much has changed since then, has it? Israel then, Wales now - and just about everywhere else on this planet. But for the sake of the diminishing number whose ears are still open to receive due warning, the shofar must be sounded!

      I'm very grateful for your support and encouragement!
      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  3. I remember going to a church event in South East Wales many years ago.
    They had a ''prophet'' there one day. She walked around the people speaking words over people she would pick on. She was more like Mystic Meg... unnerving and spooky, it was more like a spiritualist church.

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    1. Hi, and thank you for this testimony of a personal experience.

      When "prophets" are "prophesying" falsely, their words can come from one of two sources; either out of their own imagination/self-delusion or else through communing with familiar spirits. In the latter case, it is exactly the same scenario as messages given in a spiritualist church, where again it is unclean, familiar spirits who are at work to deceive. All very dangerous stuff indeed! The work of demons is being claimed as the work of the Holy Spirit, and the undiscerning are drinking this poison by the pailful and so spiritually damaging themselves immeasurably.

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  4. This is not a trick question or a wish to sucker you in.. But, would you receive or even consider the possibility that a person could give a prophetic word direct to you.
    Here's my problem, if God wanted to speak to me and I'm a Christian would he not speak direct with that internal voice.

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    1. Hi, and thanks for writing in! It's a pertinent question.

      I don't personally discount altogether the possibility of God using a person to give a prophetic word, as in His sovereignty He can speak to anyone in whatever way He so chooses. But prophetic utterances should be seen as quite exceptional, not an everyday occurrence. It is of paramount importance that great caution and God-given wisdom and discernment be exercised in this as in all matters. There are many, many false prophets out there, and all NAR "prophets" for example are false ones, as their Dominionist worldview runs completely contrary to the written Word. Denial of the truth of the written Word is also a denial of the Word that was made flesh, both being One indivisible Word!

      I certainly don't believe that God is appointing people today to the office of prophet. And if we are indeed in a proper relationship with God, He would certainly speak directly to our own spirit by His own Spirit which indwells us. Unless He has a very good reason to use one, He has no need of an outside party to do the speaking for Him!

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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    2. Well done Rob, on a brilliant reply to the pertinent question!

      To quote Dr. Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum when a Christian exclaimed they had a prophetic word from the Lord for him, his response was, "Well, the Lord has not told me!"

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    3. Many thanks for voicing your agreement with my reply to that question!

      Dr. Fruchtenbaum's response as quoted sums the whole thing up beautifully. Far too many folks are looking to others to tell them what God wants to say to them, rather than simply paying heed to what He is saying to them Himself! And the essential starting point for that? Reading the written Word under the guidance of the Spirit, which so many now neglect to do in favour of an unquestioned "experience!"

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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    4. Hi
      Also, if you are given a prophecy (which at times can be immensely helpful, and I would say Biblical), assuming that the source seems legitimate, do always seek the confirmation of God before accepting it. If the prophecy is from Him, I know from experience that He will confirm it to you directly with His own word in a very clear way - so long as you ask Him about it! He doesn't try and trick us. This is a practice that I have held tightly to over the years.

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    5. Amen!

      All such things need to be tested, and to be confirmed. Nothing should be accepted as legitimate otherwise. There is far, far too much readiness for "words" to be accepted at face value.

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  5. Well God used a ass once.
    Perhaps some talk out of their arse at these events.

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    1. Your point is graphically made, sir/madam!

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  6. Mick The Guy Who Hates Anonymous Posters4 June 2018 at 09:34

    why are all of the comments anonymous
    is everyone afraid to give their name these days
    and why do you post them
    arent there any real people out there any morere#

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    1. Hmmm... Doesn't signing yourself "Mick the Guy Who Hates Anonymous Posters" really make you just as anonymous as those you hate? Does using a pen-name make you any more or any less a real person than they are? Just a thought.

      I'd personally very much like to see more people identifying themselves, but I don't see it happening any time soon. And I well know that folks can have very good reasons for not giving their name. It's how it is. It has always been my policy to receive, publish and reply to comments, whether names are given or withheld. Why? Because I believe that it is right and proper that I do so.

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  7. Well Mick, giving us that name surely identifies you, thats for sure lol!!! you may as well have stuck to anon, Mick, the addition of a christian name and even a surname is about as helpful as a rubber walking stick, your comment Mick is truly intellectual and spiritual.(Not) BTW, we are discussing the up comming events in Ebbw Vale and the NAR etc etc. read the article again and again you may be inspired,and helped. I was.

    Blessings Rob.

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    1. I think that sometimes people just don't stop to consider the hypocrisy or the inanity of what they are saying. If they did so, they might just put the brakes on!

      I'm pleased and encouraged that you've found this article to be inspiring and helpful. Many thanks for that feedback!

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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    2. Mick The Guy Who Hates Anonymous Posters7 June 2018 at 09:10

      My name is Mick you fool!
      What is yours Mr Anonymous?
      Hey Rob, who is right on this one?
      Me, whose name is Mick, or yet another one of yoiur anonymous posters?
      And please do not sit on the fence in your usual diplomatic fashion!
      And if your anonymous friend would like to supply me with his name and email address, via your forum, I will respond accordingly.
      But I will not hold my breath on that one!
      Blame the dear old internet for anons who get away with murder!

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    3. Why do you seek to bait people? Do you really not see that signing yourself as Mick (the guy who hates anonymous posters) makes you no less anonymous?

      Also, have you not read, "whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire?" (Matthew 5:22)

      P.S. It is not my policy to publish correspondents' personal email addresses on this site.

      (Further reply to your other new comment below).

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    4. Mick The Guy Who Hates Anonymous Posters7 June 2018 at 23:48

      As expected Rob - sitting on the fence yet again as you do not want to get involved!
      BTW, how can you differentiate between all of the various anon posters - it must be very confusing?

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    5. Think I'm sitting on the fence if you wish! I see you cannot bring yourself to apologize for saying to a brother "You fool" in defiance of Matthew 5:22. You have issues, my friend, that you seriously need to address!

      In Him,
      Rob.

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  8. I keep reading and re-reading this article, Rob, this is more than extremely disturbing. I remember your video on the Trojan Horse, these NAR deceivers have infiltrated the churches trying to dismantle Gods words, especially the book of Revelation. They believe themselves to be gods. how on earth can mortal man prepare the way for Jesus?what a perversion of the Gospel. Jesus Christ will establish his kingdom and anyone who thinks otherwise is massively in error, and at worst deliberately working for satan. I implore people to get away ASAP.
    Blessed be the name of Jesus, King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

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    1. I most sincerely hope that anyone reading this article will be deeply disturbed by the content! I'd very much like them to recall to mind and ponder upon 2 Peter 2:1, "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction."

      The false prophets and teachers of the NAR indeed deny the Lord that bought them, for they deny the truth of the written Word, which is indivisible from the Word that was made flesh. Theirs is a most damnable heresy, and they will have much to answer for on the Day of Reckoning!

      The Kingdom is established by the King, not the courtiers!

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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    2. CHARISMANIA IN WALES - AN OBSERVER'S SPIRITUAL NIGHTMARE!!!

      The Charismaniac Churches of Wales are bankrupt of sound Biblical doctrine and teaching and devoid of any spiritual discernment!



      They begin their services with long periods of uninterrupted, repetitive, 'dynamic', trance-inducing worship to create the atmosphere which draws the congregations into an altered state of consciousness!

      The congregations are now susceptible to the unbiblical performances of being 'slain in the spirit' and to the voices of familiar spirits which must in their eyes be 'God' speaking to them! They go forward to deliver their words of prophecy! Some proclaiming and declaring 'double portions' of blessing to come. They are keen for God to do 'a new thing'. They want an open heaven with increase, more power, more blessings, more rain, more fire, more ear tickling and more supernatural experiences which in actual fact is MORE DECEPTION!

      There are many unwitting clairvoyants in these churches who consider themselves mature Christians, who hear God's voice! The irony is, that the Lord NEVER tells them about the heresy, apostasy, false teaching, bad doctrine and deception in their own church!! - Surely He would lovingly warn them if it was actually Him they were hearing!


      Fleshly people want mystical experiences, goose-bumps and the Wow-Factor! God does not need to provide such, as a wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign. The gullible fly to the latest 'thin place portal, false revivals', where the enemy delivers the thrills they seek in abundance, coming as an angel of light with gold dust and minty green angel feathers!



      Many pastors believe we are already in the millennium and that things are getting better. Not only are these deceivers and hirelings spiritually blind but they must be mentally and physically blind, as the world is becoming more evil and depraved by the day! The enemy must be on a very long lead if he has already been bound for a thousand years! These pastors do not preach from the book of Revelation, rather allegorize and deny the truth about the rapture, tribulation, antichrist etc. They embrace Dominionism and usually Replacement Theology to boot. They do NOT warn and prepare their congregations for the coming wrath of God!

      They have swallowed the false teachings of Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, Bill Johnson, Rick Warren and a myriad of other heretical preachers. After all, these people are highly successful and therefore must be doing something right for God! - Right? - Wrong!!!

      The remnant of true Bible believing Christians who will NOT compromise the Word of God is dwindling and are themselves the 'evil' targets for destruction by Joel's Army, as they will not bow to the NAR and the self-appointed apostles' new unbiblical revelations!!

      Be they ever so Apostate,
      Ecumenism is their Home!
      They'll join the One World Religion,
      For there's no place like Rome!


      NOTA BENE!:

      There are NO Apostles living today. All Apostles saw the resurrected Lord with their own eyes!
      There are NO Prophets living today. They would all have to be 100% accurate at all times!

      Recommendations for Biblical Teaching and Sound Doctrine:

      Dr. Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum - Ariel Ministries
      James Jacob Prasch - Moriel Ministries
      The Berean Call
      Warren B. Smith - Lighthouse Trails
      Alan Franklin - The Free Press Online
      Rob Thomas - Watchman4Wales

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    3. Wow! Many thanks for this, which is an excellent article in its own right, and speaks with an incisive, eloquent directness into the appalling state that the professing Church has gotten itself into. I will let your comment speak for itself, saying only that I'm humbled indeed that you attach my name - very undeservedly! - to that list.

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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    4. Mick The Guy Who Hates Anonymous Posters7 June 2018 at 09:19

      Great article Mr Anonymous and I agree with it completely.

      However, in my opinion Rob is not in the same Premier class of your aforementioned teachers, more like Division 2 or 3?
      Why? Because he is not a public speaker, not even on the internet or Youtube, and he rarely ventures out, leaving his "ministry" to just this blog.
      Am I wrong on this Rob?
      And I also think that Rob will agree that he is now poles apart from the teachings of the great James Jacob Prasch, and especially on these last days.
      Check it out guys.

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    5. Why do you seek to bait me?

      Maybe your name is Mick, or Mike, or Michael... it's of no consequence. Why do you seek to bait me, saying things like I very rarely venture out (do you watch my house 24/7 then?), putting "ministry" in inverted commas...

      Ranking on some sort of league table means nothing to me; I seek only to follow the Lord and do His bidding the best I can. Should we not diminish, that He increases?

      When you refer contemptuously to "just this blog" I'll simply say that if just one person has ever been touched by just one article appearing on this site, I am grateful to God for His grace in having used it even just that once to uphold the Faith once delivered.

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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    6. Mick The Guy Who Hates Anonymous Posters8 June 2018 at 00:01

      I am not baiting you Rob, for you even agree with me that you are not in the same class as the likes of Prasch, Fruchtenbaum, The Berean Call, Warren B. Smith, and Franklin!

      They are all international teachers and preachers who will go anywhere to offer their splendid ministries as well as being very easy to find on the internet, on Youtube, and on Christian Television.
      Is that not a fact dear Rob?

      When did you last preach in public?
      When did you last teach on the internet except for this site?
      Why is there is no picture of you anywhere?
      You are as anonymous dear Rob as most of your posters, so maybe that is why you get on so well with them?

      When I say you do not venture out, I am referring to public Christian ministry, not this silly little 24/7 surveillance you erroneously accuse me of.

      Sometimes the truth hurts Rob, so please do not allow some of your posters to put on such a high pedestal as someone as Jacob Prasch, because your pedestal is quite small in comparison when you compare the credentials and qualifications for such glowing praise as afore mentioned.

      BTW, you did not answer my point about being poles apart on the end times teaching of Prasch compared to yours. You know you do not agree with what he espouses so why not admit it?

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    7. You really do have serious issues, my friend! Very serious issues indeed. You seek to endlessly deride me, bait me while denying that you do so, and demand answers of me, all the while hiding behind a pen-name. Instead of asking questions of me, you need to urgently ask questions of yourself and the uprightness of your own walk with the Lord.

      In Him,
      Rob.

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    8. Mick The Guy Who Hates Anonymous Posters8 June 2018 at 03:18

      Fence sitting again Rob with no content to your reply!

      I take it then that you DO think that you are in the same class as Messrs Prasch, Fructenbaum, Franklin, Smith, Hunt et al?

      If so, you are sadly deluded my friend!

      BTW, Jacob believes in The Intra Seal or Sixth Seal Rapture - do you? NO, I know you do not!

      Also BTW, I can arrange for you to speak locally and make yourself known to the public of Merthyr and the surrounds in a serious manner.

      Now there is a big and serious challenge for you!

      Come on Rob, front up man, let us see you in the flesh putting some of your dynamic teachings into practice from a local pulpit!

      Once again, I will not hold my breath for a positive answer! And this is not baiting dear Rob, it is a clear Christian invitation in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ!

      Are you a member of His Church, The Body of Christ? If so, then let us see you for once and put your head above the parapet, or pulpit, for a very rare change!

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    9. I made my position concerning rapture teaching very clear in an article I wrote on that very subject. (See Topics list). Jacob Prasch has his opinion on the timing of the rapture, I have mine, and as Mr Prasch has certainly said himself in the past, the subject is a matter for debate not division, which I fully agree with. So why do you personally wish to make it a divisive issue?

      Ok. You want to invite me to speak. Then cease acting in this unseemly fashion, give me your full and proper name, no pen-names, and supply me with your email address and your postal address, so that I may verify who exactly you are. Also, please advise me where you would wish to invite me to speak, the name and contact details of the pastor, and whether this is your own fellowship and shepherd. If this is not the case, then please supply me with the details of your own. I will then be in a position to evaluate the legitimacy of such an invite and properly respond; I don't think my request is at all unreasonable. So this is your opportunity to come clean as to who exactly you are and open up in a proper spirit of grace and integrity, to stop the unChristian goading and baiting.
      Can you do as I ask? Ball's in your court...

      Sincerely, in Him,
      Rob.

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    10. troll1
      trɒl,trəʊl/Submit
      noun
      (in folklore) an ugly cave-dwelling creature depicted as either a giant or a dwarf. Internet troll - Wikipedia
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
      In Internet slang, a troll (/troʊl, trɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting quarrels or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional ... Mick The Guy Who Hates Anonymous Posters - is your enjoyment of abusing others really worth earning the status of a troll? And what of your flagrant rejection of Christ's command to love as He has loved you? ' Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification...let all bitterness and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. And be kind to one another...( Ephesians 4 vs 29a, 31, and 32a.)

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    11. Many thanks, Mr. Evans, for this all-too-pertinent observation of internet trolling occurring in a "Christian" context.

      Your words and these most relevant Scriptures addressed to the one who calls himself 'Mick The Guy Who Hates Anonymous Posters' I would sincerely hope are taken to heart by him, and bring him to repentance and ceasing to behave in such a manner.

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  9. Wow Rob, love that persons comments, and your deservedly on that list. For your so humble a Godly trait, gentle in spirit and kind hearted, very solid in good teaching. Awesome love it!!

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    1. Yes, those observations and the way they were expressed were absolutely excellent! A discerning kindred spirit indeed!

      Mick The Guy Who Hates Anonymous Posters has come to a rather different opinion about myself. And that's OK. I know myself in all truth to be absolutely nothing special at all, just A. N. Other completely undeserving sinner saved by the precious and immeasurable grace of God. And to Him be all the power and glory!

      With best wishes in Him,
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  10. Mick anonymous hater sounds much like an alter ego of Neville Zion Talywain. Very similar rhetoric.

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    1. The rhetoric is indeed very similar. I'll let readers draw their own conclusions.

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  11. Dear Rob,
    Your doing what the Lord has instructed you to do, and your unstinting faithfulness to do the Lords bidding has helped me immensely, and many, many others.
    It matters not one jot what others think, it is what God has told you to do that matters. If others want to put themselves and others onto pedestals, according to their own ideas then let them carry on in the Flesh, you carry on in the Spirit.

    Best wishes in him

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    1. Hi, and many thanks for your kind words of encouragement!

      If you and others have been helped in any way by this work, then all thanks and glory be to God. I want no part of any pedestal; I want only to be as faithful as I can be in the task I've been set to do. (Mick scorns me for not putting up a photo of myself. I don't, because this work is nothing to do with promoting myself in any way, only contending for the Faith which is a Scriptural requirement of us all).

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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    2. Putting a photo of yourself is not to promote yourself!

      The complaint is that you are so reclusive that you refuse to do so, because you do not want to be known publicly!

      Jesus would abhor this attitude, just see Matt 5:15 for one of many examples!

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    3. I'm afraid to have to inform you that it is your attitude that Jesus would abhor!

      In Him,
      Rob.

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  12. Mick seems the type that would “Call out the widow who put the two mites in the collection box. Call her out for not doing enough for the Lord.

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    1. Mick just doesn't seem to get that in his desire to belittle one brother and brag another brother up, all he does is to reveal his own immaturity and shortcomings in his own walk with the Lord. Very sad and ironic indeed!

      Best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  13. Hi Rob. I pray The Lord will protect you from this attack by the enemy. You have been called to serve God by doing this blog warning about apostasy, deception and error. If The Lord wants you to do anything else He will show you. Stand firm my friend. Your sister in Christ. Alexa.

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    1. Hi Alexa, and many, many thanks for your prayer support and your Godly reassurance and encouragement!

      One of the Enemy's favourite means of attack is to put his words in the willing and wilful mouth of one who would call himself a born-again, Bible-believing Christian, but who's heart is so sadly and so obviously far removed from the Lord he would make out that he serves.

      "Mick" wants me to please him, but it is imperative that our hearts and minds be fixed on pleasing the Lord, not men. (He has not as yet replied, to give me the information that I have asked of him. If he has a problem doing so, that will speak volumes; the ball is firmly in his court).

      Thanks again, my good friend!
      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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    2. I will meet you any time you want my friend.

      But I will not fall for your usual deceptive old tactics of me providing the place, the pastor, the venue, the meeting etc just for you to refuse the invitation, as is so obvious you will do!

      You have never spoken from a Christian pulpit in the Merthyr area, or even in South Wales in the whole of your so-called "ministry", so why would a recluse like you chose to start now?

      I have never known a "minister" who is so reclusive and who refuses to come out into open Christian places to be seen, maybe even adored, or in your case well.......?

      You do not even post a photo of yourself, and just publish about three or four articles a year on this site.

      How on earth can anyone compare you with Dave Hunt, T.A McMahon, Fruchtenbaum, Prasch, Franklin, Smith or any of the others is totally beyond me! Perhaps your anonymous contributors do not get out much either?

      BTW, you did not answer my question dear Rob how you differentiate one anon from another? Quite a puzzle is that!

      Anyway, the great men of God listed above all write books. They appear on Christian TV. The teach and preach everywhere they are invited all over the world, and so much more!

      A blog author of about three entries a year without even a photo is like comparing The Mona Lisa with a counterfeit piccie at the car boot sale at Merthyr football ground every weekend!

      Come meet me Rob - I challenge you!

      But I will not hold my breath!

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    3. It took me three days to reply Rob because I had been out and about at several Christian and Church gatherings - unlike your reclusive self.
      However, I am not your former friend Neville but I know him well.
      So much for your discernment and knowledge oh ye of little substance in the way of spiritual gifts.
      I was at Neville's brilliant conference on Saturday and if he is need of "deliverance" as you say, then God help the church in these Laodicean days.
      We need more men like Neville who is prepared to go out and preach, to write books, to blog a lot, to meet people, and do everything he can to get the word out in these vital times.
      He is unlike you Rob who hides away behind his computer writing about three articles a year, and who is afraid to even publish a photo of himself let alone minister out in the open.
      May God forgive you for your false and irresponsible utterance that illustrates just how far you are from the plan and purposes of the Lord in this part of his Kingdom.

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    4. How strange that you still refuse to provide any of the information that I've asked for. Not! Of course you know Neville well! BTW, were you aware that your - sorry, his - conference guest Michael Penny is a huge ecumenical compromiser, being no less than the Chair of Churches Together in Reading? Yes, he has wilfully yoked himself to the antichrist Roman Catholic Church, and has thus very seriously betrayed the Faith once delivered! So much for your - sorry, his - discernment and knowledge...

      Sincerely in Him,
      Rob.

      P.S. I know for a fact that Fochriw Chapel takes a very firm stance against Roman Catholicism. And yet Penny is given the pulpit there? Well, well, well...

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    5. It's taken you 3 days to think up how to reply without actually answering anything I've asked of you. And yet, in your evasiveness and irrationality and abuse you say that I'm the deceptive one?

      I counsel you ... - for such I know to be your name, the name that you cannot bring yourself to have the honesty to reveal for yourself - to urgently seek the help of a Christian who works in the area of deliverance ministry, to rid yourself of the unclean spirits that you channel. I know that you will be extremely reluctant to do this, because of the feeling of power and control and religious superiority that they give you. But these things are not real ... They are but a Satanic illusion. And what will you do on the Day of Reckoning? I most sincerely urge you to undertake this course of action while there is still time for you to do so.

      In the Name of Jesus our Lord and Saviour,
      Rob.

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  14. Totally disagree with putting you on the list with a Jacob Prasch.
    You seem more well balanced in your comments. Prasch is a man that comes over (sometimes) as being full of anger and hate. He slags off everyone that doesn't go along with his theology he slags off.
    As for Mr you know who! You better off being away from toxic people Rob.

    Coming back to your post and the comments made raises a question.
    Looking around at all the rubbish that is going on. Which denomination would you choose. Sorry Rob you can't fudge an answer with none. You got to choose one.

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    1. Hi, and thanks for your comment and your question.

      This isn't a fudge, but I am in all honesty unable to choose a denomination. My answer is indeed none, for after years of studying what is happening in the professing Church of Jesus Christ, I am of the firm belief that denominational Christianity is dead in the water. It is a corpse just awaiting proper burial. God will always maintain an uncompromising faithful remnant; the future for that remnant lies outside all denominational structure. At the end it will be as at the beginning. This is my position, and I hope you will accept this as an honest answer to your question, and not in any way an attempt to fudge the issue?

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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    2. Well done Rob, for another excellent response to the fudging question!

      As far as Jacob Prasch is concerned, it is sad that his denouncing of heretics by name is misinterpreted as 'slagging off' people who don't go along with his theology! The only anger and hatred he demonstrates is righteous anger and hatred of the apostasy that is sending millions to hell! It seems that some Christians think we need to be 'nicey-nicey' even to those heretics and their appalling twisting of scripture and just let them get on with deceiving millions more. Apparently we must not 'slag off' the heretics, as that would be showing anger and hatred and not be showing Christian love!! The only 'slagging off' Prasch is guilty of, is bringing error and darkness into the light, and warning Christians of deception by exposing the heretics by name! Thank God for Christians like Jacob Prasch and yourself, Rob!

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    3. Thank you, my friend! I can only say it as it is. Which is surely what we should all be doing?

      These days everyone expects "political correctness," which is actually Orwellian double-speak for incorrectness. The wisdom of men, which is foolishness to God. All believers are called to earnestly contend for the Faith, which means stepping on toes if such be unavoidable in the interests of upholding Truth. Sometimes tough love is called for, but it is assuredly not to be seen as hate. Many people have been "loved" into a lost eternity, through a Christian's unwillingness to say it as it is in the Name of the Lord!

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  15. Hello Rob,
    Your doing the right thing to request as much detail as possible from this individual.

    I would also suggest to be very, very cautious,they may give a disposable email address and/or fake private address. They may even have a cohort, who may pose as Mick and give his details, anything is possible on the internet these days, deception is rife. The way this person talks suggests he is far removed from being a born again Christian.
    Keep exposing all these False prophets and false teachings Your doing the Lords bidding, and reaching thousands every whére. satan just cannot stand it. He is roaring and thrashing around probably foaming at the mouth, We are all behind you Rob, God wants the truth out there, satan cannot NOT win he has already lost. so howl away demons. Your time is short the Lake of Fire Beckons.

    God Bless Rob. keep on keeping on!!

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    1. Hi, and many thanks for this sound advice. Email addresses as you rightly observe can be set up and disposed of at will. Postal addresses are more difficult in this respect, as names and addresses can be checked against the electoral register. I sadly have to agree that the way this person operates is hardly that of a born again, Bible-believing, God-fearing believer. I find it very interesting and significant that "Mick" has suddenly gone very quiet; he seems to have a little difficulty coming up with the information I've asked of him!

      Satan is indeed a defeated foe, for the victory has already been won, and not by the NAR but by the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, all power and glory to His wonderful Name!

      God bless you for the words you have written here; your support and encouragement is so very much appreciated!

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  16. I wonder how many thousands of people named Mick are in the known universe? just a thought!

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    1. Quite so. And Mick = Mike = Michael... and this is assuming that it's not just an alias... and he hates anonymous posters!!

      Best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  17. Please observe the spirit behind these attacks on Rob. Please read these scriptures below, then discern the attacks as outlined directly after the scriptures as quoted.



    Matthew 4:1-11 





    4 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted[a] by the devil. 2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”



    4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’[b]”



    5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6 “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:



    “‘He will command his angels concerning you,

    and they will lift you up in their hands,

    so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’[c]”

    7 Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’[d]”



    8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”



    10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’[e]”



    11 Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.


    Now see below :-

    The Words of the individual named Mick who goads Rob.

    "You never venture out accept for this ministry", referring to Robs blog. "Why are you not on you-tube?

    "Why are there no photos of you on the internet? "Why do you remain anonymous? Why do you sit on the fence? I won't hold my breath for a response.

    "Here is a serious challenge for you? I can arrange for you to preach around Merthyr.

    "Your not in the same league as other speakers nb. (belittling Gods servent and God).Your in the 2nd or 3rd division, your not in the same premier class, as other named individuals in Christ!!!


    "Come on man show us your dynamic teaching and preaching'put yourself out there. 

    Are you a member of the Body of Christ? if so put your head above the parapet for a rare change

    (casting doubt on Robs faith) 



    See very clearly where these attacks are coming from? satan, is a liar and the father of lies.


    May God protect and surround Robert, to enable Gods Work to be accomplished.No attacks of the enemy will prevail. Amen.

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    1. Hi, and many thanks for these Scriptures showing so clearly how Satan baited the Lord Himself. It should come as no surprise to us that the Enemy similarly goads and baits His followers. But if we submit ourselves to God and resist the Devil, he will flee. (James 4:7)

      Thank you, my friend, for your support and your prayer for protection. I am grateful indeed!

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  18. No again - I don't put Rob in with Prasch, because of his manner is not a nasty one which has been demonstrated by so many so-called watchmen .

    Any way what makes you think Jacob Prasch is 100% correct. I have seen him in YouTube split bible verses to justify his theology. And with out wishing to go off the point talk about animal sacrifices might be used in the so-called third temple... Nothing can better or replace the blood of Jesus. So its down to opinions. That said I agree with ever word on the charismatic clowns

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    1. Essential doctrine is clear-cut in the Scriptures, and not open to argument or individual interpretation, while some secondary aspects of the Faith are indeed open to opinion. Conjecture should never be presented as fact, but as a viewpoint which others might honestly disagree with. Such difference of opinion should always be marked by grace and not animosity, a cause for healthy and gentlemanly debate and not unseemly and heated division. Would that we would all recall to mind the words of 1 Corinthians 13:12, "For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known."

      No-one knows it all. Period. Full revelation awaits our translation from the mortal to the immortal. Surely we should humbly acknowledge the limitations of our human understanding? Especially as it should be obvious that God in His sovereignty has ordained that knowledge be partial and not complete in this life?

      Let us stand firmly on the Rock of our salvation, diligently upholding all Truth that is known and sure, while showing due grace one to another on issues which are not so sure. (e.g the precise timing of the rapture).

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  19. hi I didn't realise you were a minister rob you have never said so and I have known you for many years maybe this mick person wont give you the answers you want about meeting up because then everyone would know who he is just a thought . keep up the good work and obey God after all he is the one that counts.

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    1. When you think about it he has promoted you to minister and public speaker and you have professed to be neither, just a humble guy writing really informative articles. He won't give you any details of where. when. or who he is, so I guess you will have to preach on the nearest mountain, even though you are not a minister. Just as well you obey God and not man,because it all sounds extremly ludicrous.

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    2. It is all indeed ludicrous, that a man who says he will meet with me any time and is inviting me to speak, won't even admit to who he is, let alone be willing to divulge his contact details or indeed any kind of detail! It simply shows the nature of the spirit in which he is operating.

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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    3. News to me too, my friend!

      One wonders what Messrs Prasch, Fruchtenbaum, Franklin, Smith et al would make of receiving an invite to speak from someone who refuses to give their name, the name of the church they're supposedly being invited to speak at, the name of the pastor, or any contact information, and instead just hurls taunts and sneering abuse at them?

      It's sadly all too obvious why "Mick" aka ... refuses to disclose the information I've requested of him!

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  20. If Mick, or indeed the 'Voice of Reason", ( remember him from your last article)? Oh! silly me, what about (John) remember him from yet another article! Oh! wait!, Sue, forgot, there's the delightful Sue, didn't she show up on another article of yours Rob? My word dear Neville all these personalites you have? which one of you is gonna fess up? sadly, you can never come clean and show yourself because "surprise surprise!! you bèen telling lots and lots of Porky Pies to everyone for a very, very, indeed ever so very, long long time.
    Come On Man Up Neville, put your head above the Parapet, fess up and get some deliverence. You concentrate on your cutting and pasting blogs. let others do their work and stop your infantile and Unchristian nonsense.

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    1. Yes, I certainly do remember the names, and others as well!

      All this is indicating what psychologists would call a Dissociative Identity Disorder, perhaps better known as a Multiple Personality Disorder. In Christianity we understand it to be a case of multiple possession by unclean spirits, ref. Mark 5:9, "My name is Legion: for we are many." This pitiable individual urgently needs deliverance, which I have counselled him to seek (though sadly without any great expectation that he will do so).

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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    2. I repeat what I said above for your various anon posters who all refuse to offer their names.
      It took me three days to reply Rob because I had been out and about at several Christian and Church gatherings - unlike your reclusive self.
      However, I am not your former friend Neville but I know him well.
      So much for your discernment and knowledge oh ye of little substance in the way of spiritual gifts.
      I was at Neville's brilliant conference on Saturday and if he is need of "deliverance" as you say, then God help the church in these Laodicean days.
      We need more men like Neville who is prepared to go out and preach, to write books, to blog a lot, to meet people, and do everything he can to get the word out in these vital times.
      He is unlike you Rob who hides away behind his computer writing about three articles a year, and who is afraid to even publish a photo of himself let alone minister out in the open.
      May God forgive you for your false and irresponsible utterance that illustrates just how far you are from the plan and purposes of the Lord in this part of his Kingdom.

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    3. I repeat what I said above to "Mick" who hates anonymous posters (like himself, oddly enough!)

      How strange that you still refuse to provide any of the information that I've asked for. Not! Of course you know Neville well! BTW, were you aware that your - sorry, his - conference guest Michael Penny is a huge ecumenical compromiser, being no less than the Chair of Churches Together in Reading? Yes, he has wilfully yoked himself to the antichrist Roman Catholic Church, and has thus very seriously betrayed the Faith once delivered! So much for your - sorry, his - discernment and knowledge...

      Sincerely in Him,
      Rob.

      P.S. I know for a fact that Fochriw Chapel takes a very firm stance against Roman Catholicism. And yet Penny is given the pulpit there? Well, well, well...

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    4. Well liar Rob Thomas you are at it again without checking the TRUE FACTS as is so often the case with your writings.

      First of all it has been brought to my attention that you are slandering my name on your blog which I will not tolerate!

      You know that this is un-Christian and immoral, and now because of new legislation from last month, under Regulation (EU) 2016/679 on the protection of natural persons with regard to processing names and data of a natural person (of which I am one), leading to possible further harassment as with your infantile anonymous posters, therefore you are now in breach of EU and as a consequence British law!

      Remove all mention of my names from your blog immediately, unless you will be forcing me to take the necessary legal steps against you.

      I would take the same action against your irresponsible contributors as well, but they are so low in esteem so that they cover themselves in protection for the time being under the cowardly anonymous labels!

      Some more errors you need to correct Thomas! If minister Mike Penny is as bad as you erroneously state, neither Pastor Steve Cross at Fochriw nor Pastor Mark Robins at The Berean Christian Fellowship in Mountain Ash would have had him to speak at their two services last Sunday.

      Both Steve and Mark are very protective of their pulpits and are very vigilant over who they allow to minister in their gatherings.

      Fochriw is my local church, I speak there, I take conferences there, my wife sings there, and you can check us both out with both the Pastors, the elders and the deacons for we are highly respected there in Fochriw!

      Mark at Mountain Ash not only checked Mike out thoroughly, but invited him back for the SECOND time this year following a great conference last year, and he also offered Mike his usual magnificent home and hospitality for the weekend.

      You are right Thomas in stating that Mike is the “Chair of Churches Together in Reading” but if you did a little research (which is not one of your strong points) you would find that Mike has managed to get ALL of the churches under his umbrella to be evangelical, fundamental and spot on regarding Biblical doctrines. Rome is not present on their panel, and the Anglicans are evangelical believers, as indeed are ALL of the other churches represented. This needs to be remedied immediately Thomas!

      Mike Penny is no “compromiser” as you wickedly state in another immoral indictment of castigation! He is thoroughly evangelical and Christian fundamental, he speaks regularly on both Radio Berkshire and Premier Christian Radio in their Christian slots, he speaks up and down Britain as well as in America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Holland and other places. He has written more books and booklets than you can fathom, and he is constantly in demand in the fullest of diaries packed with Christian engagements!

      If he is an “ecumenical compromiser” as you erroneously claim in your usual un-Christian manner then you are nothing but a “wood, hay and stubble “Christian” (if indeed you are even that) whereas Mike towers above you as a “Gold, Silver, and precious stones” type of believer in our great God and Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ!

      I will be passing your comments on to Mike. In the meanwhile Thomas – you have been warned!!

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    5. The true facts? Yeah, right, Mr Neville Stephens...

      Oh dear. Legal action, huh? Seems you are unfamiliar with 1 Corinthians 6:1, "Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?" Yet you claim that it is I who is being un-Christian? Well, well, well...

      Removing your name from comments I've made is no problem if this embarrasses you so much, but as this tirade has been sent in as a signed comment rather than a private personal message, Mr. Stephens, then as I publish all comments as you well know, this latest unGodly threat and unrestrained venom directed against myself and my contributors will remain here for all to see and evaluate for themselves.

      By all means pass my comments on to Mike Penny. Maybe such will give him pause for thought about his provable associations in Reading, where Churches Together does indeed include the Roman Catholic Church "united in pilgrimage!" Proof? Roman Catholic Canon Michael Dennehy 64 Liebenrood Road, RG30 2EB - taken from the list of CTR denominational representatives, published on their own website, Mr. Stephens! Perhaps you might bring this to Mr. Penny's attention also? And the pastors at Fochriw and Mountain Ash?

      If you were a true watchman, Mr. Stephens, you would desire to back me up in my work, not blast me to bits for doing it. But as the Word declares, "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." (Matthew 7:20) And so you are known by yours.

      I find it very interesting that "Mick" hasn't replied, and you have instead...I'm really surprised by this. Not!

      Sincerely in Him,
      Rob.

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    6. It was Mick who alerted me to your slander and he has left it to me to respond as it is my name being slandered and me that will take the necessary action if required.

      By all means leave my comments up as a lasting testimony, as long as you leave this comment up as well. But please take down all the other slanderous pieces with my name on them or face the necessary consequences.

      You only "go to court" if you cannot agree a sensible solution with your fellow brother, and I am sure you will be "sensible" in this matter.

      Or as Holy Writ states "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, regard him as you would a pagan or a tax collector" (Matt.18:17).

      Or as Paul puts it "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.” (1 Cor 5:12-13).

      Many Christians have been to court in the past and no doubt will do so in the future if lies are being written about them in public and hence slandering their good name.

      Regarding Reading, Fochriw, and Mountain Ash these are led by thoroughly responsible and mature men of God, and they are fully aware of my stance before the Lord, warts and all.

      My conscience is clear on this matter, but if yours is not and it worries you so much, then it is your duty and responsibility to take matters further!

      A few final thoughts Rob, human legal courts count for very little in the final analysis. What REALLY COUNTS is when we stand before THE PERFECT JUDGE, our Great God and Saviour The Lord Jesus Christ!

      Are you a "wood, hay, and stubble" believer Rob, or are you still setting your mind on things above and running the race the Great Apostle Paul spoke of to attain to "the gold, silver, and precious stones" Crown of Righteousness that awaited him, and still awaits ALL OF US who look forward to His Appearing (2 Tim 4:8).

      Finally, you also state Rob that "If you were a true watchman, Mr. Stephens, you would desire to back me up in my work, not blast me to bits for doing it".

      I am not blasting you to bits brother, that is someone else. I am merely trying to clear my name of slander in public, which you really should not do without checking the facts.

      It is a great shame, for we once stood shoulder to shoulder against apostasy in Wales, and I still do like most of the articles you write on your blog, and what you stand for.

      Big shame, however, that you do not write more and also get out a little more to get your message out, which is basically the same as mine - get it out across the these sad and spiritually depressed valleys of South East Wales where we reside.

      Maranatha Blessings,
      Nev.

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    7. Of course this comment will remain up, Neville! And so will my comments, with your name scotched as demanded.

      Readers can freely make their own decisions about me and about you, and our respective words and deeds. If only they knew the half of it, Neville! But God knows all. And that's what counts.

      Sincerely, in Him,
      Rob.

      P.S. Please desist from using my material without my permission. Such is an illegal breach of copyright.

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  21. Hi Rob,
    I was just reading your article above again, and so much of this NAR heretical teaching, goes against so much in scripture. So, these self appointed prophets are going to prepare the Kingdom and hand it over Jesus on his return? have I read it correctly Rob? assuming i have, that is a wicked teaching.
    This and many other scriptures came to mind :~

    Matthew 25:34

    34 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

    Thanks so much for this article
    exposing ALL these fake teachings and prophets.Wales is certainly being attacked by all sorts of corrupt teaching.Look up for our Redemtion draws nigh. A One World Religion and Govt awaits under the guise of "Unity and Peace".

    God Bless you Brother

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    1. Yes, my friend, you have indeed read it correctly. The NAR's deeply heretical teachings are indeed evil, and delivered not in the Holy Spirit but in the spirit of antichrist.

      I'd like to thank you for turning attention back onto the content of the article itself, exposing the NAR and its false prophets, and away from the regrettable repeated attempts by "Mick" to evade the real issues and put the focus on himself instead, as do all Narcissists.

      God bless you too!
      Rob.

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  22. Rob,
    This is quite a ridiculous state of affairs going on with you and Mr Stephens/Mick. And from what I can see it is all of the latter's making.


    You are quite right with regard to Mr Penny, he is yoked with Rome, I sincerely hope that Mick/Neville can see this.


    I would rather not post anonymously, but I fear that I may incur the wrath of BoB! (Beast of Bedlinog), I don't want my mail box cluttered up any more than it is!


    Concerning Prasch, Frutchenbaum and co, they only preach to their 'converted' flock within the safety of their own four walls! Satan hasn't any probs with that!

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    1. I can only completely agree that this state of affairs is absolutely ridiculous. It needs to stop, and it needs to stop right now. I've said all I wish to and need to, as far as the Neville/Mick business is concerned. If Neville/Mick wish to keep it going, be it known that I do not. My time and energies can be much more profitably employed.

      Best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  23. Wow what a witness rob puts his name to everything he writes he is honest and ready to meet and have fellowship at anytime but you cannot meet with anyone without a time and place would have thought that was obvious and pretty essential hope this happens soon.

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    1. Mick's keeping his head low, it seems, and Neville's doing the talking instead. So be it. I just really don't know how anyone expects me to meet with them without providing the information I've asked for, just giving me abuse instead of answers. Makes no sense at all to me. Anyway, as I've just said above, this ridiculous state of affairs needs to stop, and to stop right now.

      Best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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    2. as Rob reqursted we need Micks Full Name and address plus email address
      not just a time and venue.Very imperative to get full name and address of MICK.

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    3. I would very much like to have had validation that "Mick" is a real flesh-and-blood person in his own right, not an alias, an alter ego, a product of someone's fertile or furtive imagination, or indeed a channeled familiar spirit. However, he's been quite unable to provide such validation, and has gone very silent while a certain Mr. Stephens has piped up instead...

      All this harassment, vitriol and games-playing is so completely unGodly, and is just a Satanic tactic to divert attention away from what is really the pressing focus of this article - exposing the false prophets of the NAR and those who are complicit in furthering their deadly deception.

      I won't tolerate this mischief-making on the Enemy's behalf any more. It stops, and it stops now. As I've said, my time and energies can be much more profitably employed.

      Best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  24. Hi Rob,

    Moving on from Mr Stephens and whoever was taking the 'Mickey', the NAR is a huge cancer in todays church.

    Along with WOF it's as if the brife has ovarian and stomach cancer.

    The list of names you have in the article above is only a small drop in the ocean. I could include the ones I've been inadvertantly exposed to, Bethel, Johnson, Baker, the McLellands of Dorset etc, etc ad nauseum. Whith their schools of supernatural ministries, it always sounds very Harry Potter to me. Everyone has to be a prophet these days, but what happened to 'some'? Some to be prophets, some to be.......When I did old testament studies I was always told that prophecy was forthtelling and not foretelling, something that seems to evade these people. When the McClellands are in town you may as well have Doris Stokes leading the service. "Oohh sweety ducky is there a David present......?".

    My wife and I have been christians for 30 odd years. And I gauge my experience of spiritual gifts as pre Toronto, and post Toronto. We became christians at a charismatic baptist church in Wales and yes the gifts of the spirit were used. Worship was about the Lord and not about the worship group (ouch!). Everything was on the level.

    Then after some years, something happened. Some of the leaders and the odd enthusiast went to Toronto and others sometime later to Pepsi-cola, as we jokingly called it back then.

    After they returned from Toronto, they were introduced as bringing back revival with them and were going around laying hands on people at the end of the service imparting whatever they brought back with them. One of the enthusiasts was a girl our age in the young adults age group. And she staryed spasming at the waist and uncontrolably jerking during the services. My wife and I, could see a change in her, and never got witness to what was hapenning to her was of good, but felt very wrong. We were young in the faith and hadn't heard of kundalini back then. We moved to England with my job so were taken out of the environment. It destroyed the church and today it's sad to say it is only a shell of its former self.

    Keep up the work of exposing wrong and informing us of what we should be wary of.

    James

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    1. Hi James, and many thanks for writing in with this detailed account!

      Thanks also for moving the conversation on from Mr. Stephens and the "Mickey-taking," and putting the focus back where it should be, on the Scripture-denying and hyper-Charismaniac heresies and practices of the NAR.

      Your testimony is a most valuable warning to others of the destruction that these things bring in their wake. Thanks be to God that you were able to discern the deception, and that you were freed from such an environment where the spirit of antichrist was allowed to flourish.

      I'm very grateful for your sobering testimony and your welcome words of encouragement for this work!

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  25. the work on this blog is so important keep it up if the enemy attacks then surely you are doing something right keep it up rob God bless you and yours

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    1. Yes, unpleasant they may be, but the attacks in themselves serve to encourage me that I must be doing something right if the Enemy is so bothered by this work!

      Thank you, and may God bless you and yours too!
      Rob.

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  26. Concerning the 3 postings today. Do you really not understand very plain English, Mr. Stephens?

    I have said and said again that this stops and it stops RIGHT NOW!

    How many times do I have to say it before you understand me and the very plain English I use? No further space will be given to you on this site, so good-bye, Mr. Stephens!

    Sincerely, in Him,
    Rob.

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  27. Hi,

    Forgot to say to your readers and contibutors to avoid any meetings in Wales that are a part of Europe shall be saved, or Global Awakening!

    James

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    1. Thanks for the addendum, James!

      God bless!
      Rob.

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  28. FOR THE ATTENTION OF ALL READERS:

    Consequent to it coming to my attention that Mr. Richard Neville Stephens has copied and pasted this article onto his own propheticwitnessnewport blog without my permission, and in the full knowledge that he does not have my permission, I have served him with this notice, submitted as a comment on said illegally posted article:

    NOTICE FROM COPYRIGHT HOLDER:

    Kindly remove this article from your blog immediately, Mr. Richard Neville Stephens. You know perfectly well that you do not have my permission to copy and use it on this (or any other of your sites), even publishing it under your own name. This is theft and fraud! This material has been published by myself, signed and dated (not by myself but officially by Blogger), and this automatically makes it copyright to myself. Understand clearly that no-one who calls himself a follower of the Lord can engage in such a thing and make out that he is a God-fearing and Bible-believing true Christian. Shame on you for doing such a thing, even copying comments from my article and re-posting them here, very selectively of course.

    I repeat, Mr. Richard Neville Stephens, remove this article from your blog immediately. You are acting illegally, immorally, and most importantly of all, totally outside what is expected of a Christian by the Word that is written and the Word that was made flesh.

    I expect no less than immediate compliance with this notice, given to you before God, at 23:58, 15/06/18.

    Sincerely, in Him,
    Rob Thomas,
    http://watchman4wales.blogspot.com/

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    1. Well Rob, for someone who has recently confessed on his blog that he does not read my blogs or follow my published material, for you have no interest whatsoever in them, it did not take you long to find this one, and just before midnight as well. Burning the midnight oil were we scouring my materials?

      And I even put it on the least popular of my bogs, but no, nothing is beyond the intrepid Welsh Watchman, and he soon tracked it down.

      Maybe this is why I have reached nearly three million “page views” on my various blogs these past three or four years whereas your figures are too insignificant to publish

      Well Rob, yesterday in quite a friendly comment on your site I asked for proof of copyright of the items on your sites as well as praising you somewhat as well. But guess what? You refused to publish it, as no doubt will be the case with this one?

      But never mind, there are other ways to get my messages online as I did yesterday and will continue to do today. And I notice that you still do not have any copyright restrictions listed in your smaller print.

      If and when you do, please do not copy and paste some other blogger’s comments for you might be in breach of copyright? Check it out Rob. No my friend, you have to get a copyright notice drawn up by a reputable solicitor, quite simple really, even for someone like you.

      I do not bother with such nonsense, for I am quite happy for anyone and everyone to copy my stuff because the more people who read the contents the better as I strive to get the Good News Of Jesus out there plus many warnings of the perilous Last Days in which we live.

      In another one of your recent comments you ask of me why I do not back you up more? Well, here I am doing such that very thing, and by promoting your material, yet now you want me to take it down? Slightly hypocritical is that Rob.

      BTW, will you be posting the comment from Mike Penny? And if so, will you be apologising to him? I will not hold my breath?

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    2. Your friendly comments have been well noted, Mr. Stephens.

      I publish this latest piece of friendliness so that my readers can see exactly how honest, humble and full of Christian grace you are. (Of course, in the heavenly realm, these things are well known already).

      The comment from "Mike Penny" is indeed published below, though it's very strange that you were able to quote it prior to its publication!

      Sincerely in Him,
      Rob.

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  29. Rob Thomas is so typical of many who see Rome as the Antichrist but I now have a Churches Together Committee all of whom are evangelicals.

    I have set up chaplaincies in Reading College and the City of Oxford College – all the chaplains are evangelical.

    And I have been asked to set up chaplaincies in four other colleges and one school.

    I am regularly on BBC Radio Berks, not only the Sunday faith programme, but a mid-week Coffee Break programme.

    I never compromise my theology and although I may mix with Catholics and even unbelievers, I never yoke myself to them.

    I have never betrayed the faith.

    I will, however, go wherever I am invited provided they do not put limitations on what I can say or preach.

    Also, it is interesting that Mr Thomas man knows little about the present Catholic Church.

    Catholicism is as broad a Protestantism.

    Thus there are charismatic Catholics, liberal Catholics, evangelical Catholics etc.

    In the USA evangelical Catholics are called ‘resurrectionists’ as they do not have Christ on the cross, but have empty crosses in their churches.

    Mr Thomas is clearly very anti-Catholic yet throughout its history Catholics have never denied the Virgin Birth and never denied the literal resurrection of Christ and never denied the deity of Christ.

    You cannot say that of all Protestants; e.g. the Bishop of Durham, William Barclay etc.

    Yours in Christ,

    Mike Penny

    It is a shame that evangelicals in many places do not get involved in Churches Together.

    As it is an official, national body and it does open doors for witnessing and evangelizing; e.g. earlier this year the Mayor of Reading accompanied to Reading University to hear Rico Tice speak at the Christ Union’s Events Week.

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    1. So I know little about the present Catholic Church? Well, it just seems to me that there is someone who very sadly knows even less...

      Sincerely in Him,
      Rob.

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  30. FOR THE FURTHER ATTENTION OF ALL READERS:

    Mr. Richard Neville Stephens refuses to comply with, and indeed has been unable to bring himself to publish the notice I sent to him before God last night, instead just further commenting himself on the stolen article with all his customary Christian grace. Just to let everyone know that the following comment has just been posted by myself on said article:

    Able to post my stolen article, Mr. Stephens, yet unable to post my comment from last night giving you due and proper Christian notice to remove it? Doesn't that just say it all! And you ask me if I'm willing to post a comment when you are not? I've just read your latest piece of friendliness; what a fine and upstanding, honest and humble Christian gentleman you prove yourself to be! I will indeed be posting the comment from "Mike Penny" but an apology is certainly not in order. (Strange you can quote a comment that's yet to be published!) I've wanted all this to end, Mr. Stephens, but you clearly do not for reasons best known only to yourself. I wouldn't disobey God's Holy Word, and threaten secular legal action as you somehow have no problem doing, but further appropriate action will be taken in the face of your unrelenting iniquity.

    Sincerely in Him,
    Rob Thomas.

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  31. hello Rob,
    Just to say I was shocked at reading all what’s going on in Wales with regard to this onslaught by all these Cultish False Prophets, talk about the world getting lighter are they serious? If anyone is going to this so called Conference I hope they see this article

    The Lord dropped this scripture into my Spirit for you:-
    Proverbs 10:9

    9 Whoever walks in integrity walks securely,

    but he who makes his ways crooked will be found out.

    Keep sounding the shofar and keep watch on that wall.

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    1. Hi, and many thanks for your comment!

      The extent of the Falling Away here in our own small part of the world is indeed shocking, and horribly mirrors what is happening globally. The inerrant Word of God always warned us exactly how it would be at the time of the end; the evidence of the End Times is all around us, in every which way.

      The New Apostolic Reformation is an abomination, a cancer in the Body, and a lying spirit is in the mouths of their so-called "prophets!" May the Lord be pleased to use this warning and in His great mercy bring it to the attention of even just one person who needs to receive it!

      Thank you for this Scripture, and your words of welcome encouragement.

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  32. What an absolutely malicious, pugnacious, and mendacious spirit this individual has?

    Is this what our Lord means when He says THE LOVE OF MANY WILL GROW COLD (Matt 24.12)? for He is talking about Christians.


    As for Mr Penny, he is well, BLIND!

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    1. Hi, and many thanks for writing in and sharing your thoughts!

      Yes, anyone who has bought into and promotes the lie of ecumenism, which is the spirit of antichrist at work, is indeed blind, and their destination is the filthy ditch of Rome.

      As for Mr. Richard Neville Stephens, he has fully revealed the precise nature of the spirit in which he operates. I'll no longer try to reason with a man who is beyond reason and is devoid of the fruit of the Spirit, and will leave him to God to deal with. As the Word declares concerning such as he, "If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha." (1 Corinthians 16:22)

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  33. how interesting someone should comment on a post that wasnt published when the comment came inn very odd haha

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    1. Curious indeed! :)

      Best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  34. Rob we know you by your fruit. A humble servant of Christ Our Lord. You never Brag, you never, pat yourself on the back, you never shout about what works you do for the Lord. whats more you never ever, act Self Righteously or try to bully others into submission or interfere with their Christian Walk. How DARE they question Gods instructions to you?
    Leave our Friend and Brother in Christ Rob alone, let him serve the Lord.


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    1. Simple fact is, I've nothing whatsoever to boast of myself! I'm a sinner saved by grace alone, and in the timeless words of Isaac Watts,

      "When I survey the wondrous cross
      On which the Prince of glory died,
      My richest gain I count but loss,
      And pour contempt on all my pride.
      Forbid it, Lord, that I should boast,
      Save in the death of Christ my God!
      All the vain things that charm me most,
      I sacrifice them to His blood."

      If I were to spend every waking moment of every single day for the rest of my life trying to do something in return for His goodness and mercies, then all that I could ever do or have ever done would amount to infinitely less than a single minuscule dewdrop's worth in comparison with the vastness of the fathomless oceans of the Lord's grace towards me.

      Are we not all to diminish, as He increases?

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  35. Praise God and diminish we must.... Amen and Amen

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  36. Getting back to your topic NRA.
    You need to take into consideration the needy people and delicate little flowers that are in the elim / pentecostal movement and especially the charismatic movement. Some are pretty mixed up needy people, I see them on Facebook. Easy prey for the conmen and women. They need the next fix of the holy spirit from their NRA junkie suppliers. Feeling down need a fix don't worry god is moving! Come this Sunday and get your fix. Sorry Rob for sounding too critical but this lot... Well?!

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    1. Yes, there is heavy Elim input into the 'Love Wales' set-up that is hosting this NAR false prophet, with Marilyn Harry and David Holdaway both being ministers in that wayward denomination. Elim long ago embraced Charismania, and many are the folk who have become easy prey as you so rightly say.

      No need to apologize for your words here. Due warning has to be sounded about the NAR and those leaders who in their great folly and faithlessness have seen fit to ally themselves with this incredibly deceptive movement which operates in the spirit of antichrist. May eyes and ears be opened to just what is afoot here!

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  37. I dont't understand how Elim became so wrong and strayed so far into this dungheap of lies.
    Was they ever right Rob do you think? Baffles me how even a baby christian could buy this load of Bunkum!

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    1. Yes, it really takes some understanding how supposedly mature believers could so readily embrace all this. I believe the heart of the problem is that so many of a Pentecostal persuasion desire to demonstrate and see demonstrated the gifts of the Spirit, EXCEPT wisdom and discernment. Leaving soundness of doctrine and practice well behind, a Word-based faith has rapidly been replaced with an untested experience-based faithlessness. When Elim embraced and promoted the Toronto Curse through misguided (mis)leaders like Colin Dye and Wynne Lewis, the writing was firmly on the wall, but few there were it seems who could read it, or indeed wanted to.

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  38. Rob,
    I am now starting to see things a little more clearly. A certain local blogger castigates you for posting so many anonymous posts, doesn't he? However, you CAN post them on your blog with a very clear conscience, because you KNOW that they are not of your origin! I remain anonymous because I don't want this individual attacking me in the same way as he does you. Now this local blogger, because he has previously used numerous aliases, the latest being the mythical Mick, it is clear to me, at least, that he attacks you, because he has no genuine contributors of his own, apart from the stage-managed special guest appearance of Mr Mike Penny! (who we have now subsequently discovered is in bed with Rome!).


    Now, with regard to this shower (NAR's) which you are warning your fellow Welsh men and women against, like Mr Penny, it seems to me that it is all about what we can DO, but, as you know we CAN do the wrong things! The NAR's, RCC, Penny and friends, are doing the devil's work, yet they are oblivious to it! The Scripture that enters my head on this matter is Matt 23.15.

    The way that leads to life is very narrow, and Mr Penny gave you a most blessed compliment by saying that there "are very few like him, but I have met two or three."

    As your other anonymous poster agrees with you, "diminish we must" but Christ must "increase"! ALL glory to Him ALONE!


    Keep up the good work, for I am convinced that many are looking for the truth, but how can they find it? Don't they "Google it" these days? That's what happened to me recently in my local Tesco when I asked the supervisor about a product! It would seem that every man and his dog is on-line these days.


    Be STILL and know that I am God. Ps 46.10.

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    1. Hi, and many thanks for sharing your thoughts, and bringing to remembrance these pertinent Scriptural references!

      The Way of Life is narrow indeed, and the sadly all too few who find and walk it should undoubtedly be characterized by the diminishing of self and the increasing of the One whose goodness and grace knows no bounds.

      I am most grateful for your encouragement. May we all endeavour to do that which is right in the sight of our great God!

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  39. I like the comment of the above,he/she summed it up beautifully. Praise the Lord.

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    1. Praise the Lord indeed!

      Best wishes in Him,
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  40. Rob,
    I look up Mr Stephens blog because it is YOUR work he has posted on his site. (he has subsequently altered it, though the comments remain from the original).
    But, what exactly is this "vibrant and active Christian community" that he talks about? If he is as blind to ecumenism as his friend Mr Penny is, then anything goes! The professing outward 'Christian' church is apostate in ALL of its forms in our day. The book of Revelation clearly teaches that it is only His true "bond-servants" (INDIVIDUALS) that He is writing to, not to the church in general (HE that has ears to hear, let HIM hear-Rev 2.17), much less "churches together"!

    Where exactly has Mick disappeared to these days? At one time he had a lot to say-now it appears that Mr Stephens is saying it all! Hmmm?

    These NARs and the likes of ecumenists such as Penny and Stephens, who are doing all this 'wonderful work', they spout and shout about for the Lord should beware of pleading their own righteousness, and works. For on judgment Day, we know what Matt 7.21-23 and 25.44 says about them?

    Are we not all "unworthy servants" Luke 17.10?


    A shameful anonymous poster!











    Are we not all "unprofitable servants" Luke 17.10?

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    1. Hi, and many thanks for sharing your thoughts!

      When people applaud and harness themselves to things like the antichrist spirit of ecumenism, when they boast of their standing and achievements and exalt the works of men, it simply reveals that they are not on the narrow Way but the broad road that leads only to destruction.

      Luke 17:10 should most certainly give us pause for careful thought. We have nothing whatsoever to brag about. Jesus slammed the Pharisees for desiring men to see their apparent "Godliness" did He not? Our "good works?" Well, as Isaiah 64:6 declares in no uncertain terms,

      "All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags."

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  41. I agree with you on the NRA.
    However, I think you may be a little over zealous on Nev and Mr Penny, I think it great that people get the opportunities to preach in churches that may not get the gospel proclaimed.
    How much of Jesus do you want, is it only a bit?.
    Jesus was evangelical you must be born again.
    Jesus was also sacramental.
    Jesus was also charismatic.
    So, I think you should cut them a little slack on this long as they are true to the gospel.
    May the Lord bless them and give them wisdom on this issue and calling.

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    1. 'Fraid there's no slack to be cut to anyone when it comes to ecumenism! You cannot be true to the Gospel and be ecumenical, which is to be in direct disobedience to the Scriptural doctrine of separation. As the Word teaches very clearly concerning such unrighteous couplings as 'Churches Together':

      "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
      And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
      And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
      Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
      And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."
      (2 Corinthians 6:14-18)

      This is the God-given wisdom that every ecumenical compromiser needs to heed! The Lord Almighty says "Come out!" not "Jump in!"

      Best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  42. Ecumenism is satans plan for a one world religion. This world is currently satans domain, and to unite under the guise of love and unity in this world is to serve the father of LIES
    Would a born again believer attemd a satanic coven and partake of the Black
    Mass? Would a born again believer attend The Kingdom Hall of J.W.s So why even think of assisting satan in his master plan.
    Thats the bottom line. Your either for Jesus or against him. Period. No Slack cutting sorry.

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    1. Satan's plan indeed!

      Many thanks for this spot-on appraisal of ecumenism, to which I can only say Amen!

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  43. I don't know much about this "churches together" operation, other than it is wrong! Can any true believer have ANY connection with Rome and have a clear conscience?
    Do you know if this apostate group has other Welsh connections apart from Mr Stephens and his "vibrant and active Christian community"?

    Thinking about it, if Penny and his "churches together" don't see any problem fellowshipping with Rome, then surely they wouldn't see any problem with fellowshipping with NAR, why not?

    As Mr Stephens is constantly complaining about you writing so few articles, to shut him up, maybe you would consider doing one on Penny and "churches together" in due course?

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    1. Hi, and thanks for your thoughts on this important subject!

      Ecumenism regrettably has an extremely large following in Wales, where Churches Together is known as CYTUN (meaning "Agreed.") Just how extensive this apostasy is can be seen by looking at the list of participating churches on their website: http://www.cytun.org.uk/

      Just to say I will always endeavour to write as the Spirit leads, and not to appease Mr. Stephens or anyone else. I am mindful of Galatians 1:10 in this respect:

      "For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ."

      I have, however, previously written a couple of articles in respect of CYTUN, which you'll find on the Topics list to the right of this page.

      Best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  44. Common Rob a little bit of common sense and context. I knew you would come back with them verses.
    So the sun is out, and the sea is blue. Children are playing on the beach with mums and dads having a great time... Look over there the United Beach Mission team are witnessing for Jesus. A fantastic witness made up of different people that love the Lord.
    Good or Bad Rob.

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    1. Common sense and context???!!!

      How about heeding the Word of God???!!!

      Sincerely in Him,
      Rob.

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  45. You would probably use a hammer to knock a screw in Rob!!

    Sorry Rob, you are using your justifiable objections to ecumenical to fit all situations.
    If any evangelical minister agreed or celebrated the mass, fair enough Rob you are right.
    So do you agree with UBM?
    Do you agree with churches coming together for evangelism for salvations?
    Would you go into a Synagogue or a Mosque as a witness Rob?


    To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law.To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some.

    I take it that your answer is NO to all the above?
    ''Common sense and context???!!!'' Rob

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    1. Why do you seek to bait me and chide me over this, my friend? Individual witness is one thing. As is group witness in undiluted, uncompromised Truth. But unequal yoking is something else altogether. The subtlety of the Enemy knows no bounds, and very great wisdom and discernment is called for in every situation where we might be inclined to link up with others.

      Churches Together/Cytun are in the business of stirring all kinds of everything that calls itself "Christian" into one big, salmonella-laden stew. Assuredly, an unclean thing that must not be touched, never mind consumed! This Scripture comes very much to mind:

      "There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." (Proverbs 16:25)

      Best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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    2. A most excellent reply to... [Mr Stephens]?

      The mandate given to ALL Christians, is without exception, to obey the great commission as our Lord commanded us in Matt 28.18-20.

      Paul WAS/IS a Jew! He had empathy with his own, naturally! Are we Jews? 1 Cor 9.20 says that the apostle to the Gentiles could witness to them under their own law, for he WAS one of their own! (He was a master of the law!) Are we to become Jews, Buddhists, Pagans, Roman Catholics, Jehovah's witnesses and whatnot, in order to save them? Who knows-they might even convert us! (1 Cor 10.12!) Paul taught New Testament believers to be SEPARATE, not to "fellowship with the works of darkness" Eph 5.11, What is ecumenism, but the "works of darkness"? Rob, we SHOULD witness to every creature, as we have the opportunity to do so, as you say.

      Though Paul was/is a Jew, he attacked the Judaisers in Galatians- for he had no truck with them!

      Mr Stephens asks "Do you agree with churches coming together for salvations?" What sort of question is this? Any person with one little shred of biblical discernment would know that we are "not to touch the unclean thing" 2 Cor 6.17! Churches together is an abomination to God, for it nullifies completely and utterly what His Son did on the cross to save sinners like us!

      I am no expert on this, but is it not true that the reformers like Luther, tried to reform the harlot church from within, before banging the 95 theses on the cathedral door in Wittenberg? It seems that people are incapable of learning from His-story!

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    3. From whence the comment cometh, I know not, but many thanks for your response and sharing your thoughts on the subject!

      We can have unity in Truth, or we can have unity in falsehood. In the midst of the great Falling Away, it is the latter that we are seeing everywhere. And in this context, we might well note that ecumenism is an essential part of the NAR agenda, their aim being to have all of Christendom (indeed all religion - see their "Seven Mountain Mandate!") under the complete control of their supposedly restored Apostles and Prophets. One harlot system simply gets replaced with another...

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  46. Good glad to hear, thank you for your clarification Rob.
    I hope I'm right in saying its a matter of discernment then for all of us.

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    1. Thank you - indeed a matter of discernment for all of us!

      Best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  47. Hi Rob. keep in the Spirit of the Lord.

    Revelation 2 v 12-17



    THE COMPROMISING CHURCH

    12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write,

    ‘These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword: 13 “I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is. And you hold fast to My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days in which Antipas was My faithful martyr, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells. 14 But I have a few things against you, because you have there those who hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit sexual immorality. 15 Thus you also have those who hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, [b]which thing I hate. 16 Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth.

    17 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give some of the hidden manna to eat. And I will give him a white stone, and on the stone a new name written which no one knows except him who receives it.” ’

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    1. Many thanks for the encouragement, and also for this very relevant Scripture concerning compromise in the Church and the need to repent of such behaviour!

      Let us be overcomers, not succumbers!

      Best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  48. Comment received from "Alison." Contents noted, comment deleted.

    No further comments from this source will be accepted. - Rob.

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  49. I guess that it is a matter of discernment for all of us Rob.

    But having read Alison's comments on the other site, I am surprise you were not willing to post them.

    What was wrong Rob?

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    1. I'm sorry, but I've nothing further to say on this matter, either here or anywhere else that such comments might appear. It's all in God's hands to deal with.

      Sincerely, in Him,
      Rob.

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  50. What a shame that your excellent article has been hijacked by someone who wants to revert back to their childhood of playground bullying. And they are being so transparent in their speech, its perfectly obvious who is the writer of these vitriolic posts. I agree that the person needs to seek help as, however they started out, it is clear that there is a different spirit abiding. Praying that God will open their eyes and very soon. They seem to need to ridicule you for, in their opinion, being a recluse? If this was the case, and Im pretty certain that it is not, as a Christian brother, should he not be coming alongside you and helping you to get back into society? Instead he continually abuses you for it?? And he takes great delight in comparing you to men who he considers to be 'great men of God', and demeaning what you do here by exposing the cancer that is apostasy?? If he was truly a Christian brother he would be aware that we all have gifts of different natures, we are not all called to be preachers and pastors. Indeed I know many people, men and women alike who rarely set foot in church for various reasons, but who contribute immensely in the act of fervent prayer for anything and everything that they become aware of as a need. Are they useless to God? I think not, prayer is the powerhouse of the church. But it would appear that our anonymous friends think that the only gift of any use is to not only shout, but to shout louder than anyone else and to drown out those with a meek, peaceful, loving spirit, all of which are named as fruits of the spirit.
    Im sure you dont take their goading to heart as you are a true man of God, but I pray for protection on you as they seem to jump on all you write to seek to pull it apart and discredit it. Does God care how many 'views' someones blog has, or how many 'hits' we obtain? I think not! Keep going Rob, and carry on adorning your suit of armour, to continue in contending for the faith. Many blessings

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    1. Many thanks for this thoughtful, mature and Godly comment!

      It seems that I am continually labelled a "recluse" for the simple reason that I don't attend a man-made edifice erroneously called a "church," but rather have fellowship outside such a structure with like-minded brothers and sisters that I trust.

      The degenerate, dark spirit which is Hell-bent (I use the term advisedly) on demeaning and destroying both my character and my work here, cannot be reasoned with. I have received excellent Christian counsel, repeatedly confirmed, that I am to respond to the goading no more, but am to leave all this with God to deal with. And so I will, with humble thanks that in the greatness of His grace I am able to do so!

      Your prayers and your encouraging words are so very much appreciated! God bless you for your support!

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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    2. Rob you have a Gideons Army behind you supporting you.Your fellowship with all is invaluable. You are Very much Loved and respected as a GENUINE HONEST CHRISTIAN BELIEVER.
      The LORD rebuke this individual for we All know without a shadow of a doubt from whence it all stems from.
      The word of the LORD says to the said person:-

      Jude 16

      16 These are grumblers, malcontents, following their own sinful desires; they are loud-mouthed boasters, showing favoritism to gain advantage.

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    3. I'm just absolutely bowled over by the words of support and encouragement I've received just today! I'm so moved, honoured and humbled to be the undeserving recipient of such grace; the Lord is good indeed to have so shown me that assuredly I do not stand in any sense alone in attempting to do this work. He will always maintain His remnant who bow the knee only to Him and not to Baal!

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  51. You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to know that Neville, Mick and Alison are one and the same person! The grammatical construct and tenor give it all away!

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    1. "The game is afoot, Watson!" as Holmes would say...

      Best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  52. For the Attention of Those who are Aggrieved and Incensed that the List of Recommendations for Biblical Teaching and Sound Doctrine at the end of 'Charismania in Wales - An Observer's Spiritual Nightmare!!!' included the name of Rob Thomas:









    The inclusion of a Welsh representative in the list of recommendations for Biblical teaching and sound doctrine is pertinent to the title: 'Charismania IN WALES'! As such, the list in question included a Welsh representative who is accessible for local personal enquiries, readily available to offer excellent spiritual, Biblical advice and whose Christian doctrine is sound! A person who has spiritual discernment and is prepared to name heretical preachers and apostate ministries infiltrating Welsh churches, to warn the undiscerning in Wales. One of the few remaining remnant of true Christians worth his salt in Wales!

    The other prestigious, internationally acclaimed names on the list do not live in Wales and are not exactly easily approachable for individual personal counselling, guidance or questioning. Thus it was appropriate that a local Christian in Wales with sound Biblical doctrine be included on the list, an accolade which Rob himself humbly described as undeserved, though many would argue to the contrary!

    It is deeply disappointing that some Christians who once sang from the same hymn-sheet have hijacked the article and used the recommendation list as a tool for vicious personal attack, condemnation and criticism. One assumes that those who are irked by Rob's name being included with those of Fruchtenbaum, Prasch etc., would have preferred that no Welsh representative be included on the list, thus depriving the locals of his personal spiritual wisdom and enlightenment. Either that, or they may have wanted someone else from the dwindling remnant of genuine Christians in Wales to be on the list, or even themselves!

    The upshot in all of this is that the eye has been taken off the ball, heretics in Wales are having a reprieve with the heat being turned off, the enemy is wringing his hooves with glee and the Lord Jesus Christ has NOT been glorified with such infighting and infantile, playground name-calling. Rather this conflict, birthed in jealousy and outrage, has been a negative and alienating witness to the unsaved, with such malevolent hostility and attack illuminating unwelcome discord within Christianity, resulting in the scoring of one huge, spectacular own goal!

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    1. I truly hardly know what to say, my friend. Reading your words I could feel a lump coming to my throat. The grace of our Lord knows no bounds, that He should have so moved not just yourself but others also to have been so incredibly kind in their expression of support and encouragement! It has sustained me through this time of renewed vilification of my work and of myself as a person; for all the prayers and counsel of wonderful brothers and sisters in the Lord I am immeasurably grateful and humbled.

      That the eye should have been taken off the ball was undoubtedly the Enemy's intention in all this, in which aim he has most regrettably been aided by Christian (?) men/women in the ways that have been witnessed here in these columns. But Satan is a defeated foe; thanks be to God for the complete victory of His Son!

      With best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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