Wednesday, 12 November 2014

DR. DAVID CARR, SENIOR PASTOR OF THE RENEWAL CENTRE IN SOLIHULL, AKA THE BISHOP OF WROXALL ABBEY, EXPOSED AS A PARTNER OF THE POPE AND A COMPROMISER OF THE FAITH!


"I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ." 

(Galatians 1:6-7)

"Goodbye, Protestantism! I'm off to Rome now to join the Papal Party! 
I do so love the wonderful fancy dress costumes they all wear there!"


This article is a follow-up to the piece I wrote about Peter Jenkins, the Missions Director at Victory Church in Cwmbran, and his involvement with The Order of St. Leonard based at Wroxall Abbey in Warwickshire, which indeed perverts the gospel of Christ as per the quoted Scripture. Please see: 

http://watchman4wales.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/peter-jenkins-missions-director-of.html


BISHOP DAVID CARR AND THE ORDER OF ST. LEONARD

The Bishop of Wroxall Abbey and the founder of the OSL is the Right Rev. Dr. David Carr, who happens to also be the founder and longtime leader of Renewal Christian Centre in Solihull. In the previous article, Dr. Carr's disturbing penchant for the trappings of Roman Catholicism and his eager embrace of ecumenism was highlighted, while it was also reported that arrangements were in hand for him to meet with the Pope! That liaison - which is a truly dreadful betrayal of the true Faith which he supposedly upholds - has now regrettably taken place, which has prompted me to produce this up-date with some notes and quotes to demonstrate that this well-known Christian leader is one whose faithfulness of shepherding and stewardship unfortunately has to be brought into serious question! 

On 10th. October 2014, Dr. Carr accompanied a contingent of Communion of Evangelical Episcopal Churches members (including his brother, Bishop Anthony Carr OSL) to fraternize with a certain Argentinian Jesuit gentleman blasphemously calling himself the "Holy Father," at the HQ of Counterfeit Christianity aka The Vatican. The trip had been arranged by Carr's "dear friend" the late Tony Palmer, the CEEC Bishop and personal friend of Pope Francis who gleefully declared earlier this year - at the great Word-Faith, "Prosperity gospel" heretic Kenneth Copeland's leaders' meeting no less! - that "Luther's protest is over!" Palmer was a man of many questionable connections in the field of End-Times deception!


"I, Francis, love you dearly, my sweet little Protestant fly!
I insist that you come over for supper at The Vatican!"



DAVID CARR AT THE VATICAN


"For what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial?"
(2 Corinthians 6:14-15)



"I'm right behind you, Francis!" 
Who IS that man in the middle?


What d'ya know! It's the Right Rev. Dr. David Carr!

Sorry Dr. Carr, but an adulterous relationship 
with the whore of Rome is NO laughing matter!


Dr. Carr, have you ever checked out the Roman Catholic Church's position on salvation? Well, actually there are TWO very contradictory positions - a dichotomy which in itself junks the R.C. doctrine of Papal infallibility! - and BOTH of them are COMPLETELY UNSCRIPTURAL and TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE to any truly born-again, Bible-believing Christian!

Here is the first:

"Outside of her (i.e. the Roman Catholic Church) there is neither salvation nor the remission of sins... We declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

(From the Papal Bull 'Unam Sanctum,' issued by Boniface VIII, and reaffirmed by Leo X)

Here is the second:

"The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims... 

... Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience."
  
(From 'Lumen Gentium: the Dogmatic Constitution on the Church' Vatican II, 1964)

Echoing the 'Unam Sanctum,' however, 'Lumen Gentium' also affirmed: 


"They could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it, or to remain in it."

THE PLAIN TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THAT NOBODY HAS TO BE SUBJECT TO ANY OTHER HUMAN BEING OR JOIN ANY SPECIFIC CHURCH (AND NEVER LEAVE IT!) IN ORDER TO BE SAVED, AND THE BIBLE IS CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT THERE IS NO SALVATION FOR ANYONE OUTSIDE OF THE LORD JESUS, WHO IS THE SOLE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MAN. SALVATION IS UTTERLY UNATTAINABLE BY "GOOD WORKS" AND ANYONE WHO REJECTS THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST, AS ALL FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM DO, DENYING BOTH HIS DEITY AND HIS ATONING DEATH ON THE CROSS, WILL IN TURN BE REJECTED BY GOD!

AN ALIGNMENT WITH THE POPE AND HIS FALSE CHURCH IN "BROTHERHOOD" IS NOT ONLY TO BE UNSCRIPTURALLY UNEQUALLY YOKED AND IN DEFIANCE OF THE BIBLICAL INSTRUCTION TO "BE YE SEPARATE" (2 Corinthians 6:17), BUT TO EFFECTIVELY EMBRACE AND BE IN BONDAGE TO THE SPIRIT OF ANTICHRIST!


"With Hell are we at agreement!" (Isaiah 28:15)



DAVID CARR AND THE CONVERGENCE MOVEMENT

David Carr has wholeheartedly thrown in his lot with other compromising leaders like Robert L. Wise - who sadly doesn't live up to his surname! - and his similarly unwise collaborators in the CEEC, who are involved in the Convergence Movement, which seeks to merge all streams of "Christian" thought and practice into one. I use the appellation "Christian" very loosely in this context, as many of these streams that they seek to unite are either "Christian" in name only -and always have been - or have become so serpentine in their course that the faith they adhere to cannot now be properly called a Christian one, with straightness and purity being things of the increasingly distant past!

Consider this vitally important observation: even if just ONE of those streams is polluted, it unavoidably pollutes ALL the streams it flows into, no matter how pure those other streams were before the confluence. As it is written about such a thing as this, "A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump." (1 Corinthians 5:6 and Galatians 5:9)

Contemplate if you will the ramifications of the folowing statements made by the aforementioned Archbishop Robert L. Wise, in connection with his personal discussions with the man he calls 'His Holiness' at The Vatican:


"The Pope is a gentle, gracious man with a unique gift of humility. His Holiness has a profound spiritual sensitivity and listens carefully to the leading of the Holy Spirit. We sat together and talked as friends."

"The world should know the battle is over. We can love (each) other as Christians and stand shoulder to shoulder. Brotherhood now exists."


"A new day is at hand for the entire world. We rejoice in the Pope's desire that we join hands in love and unity. Our task is to make sure the entire church understands that we stand at a new place in history."

What we need to understand, Mr. (un)Wise, is that the "new place in history" at which we stand is that place spoken of in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, i.e. the falling away that occurs prior to the emergence onto the world stage of "that man of sin... the son of perdition" aka the Antichrist. And it is his One World Church, united in apostasy, that the Convergence Movement is very greatly helping the Pope to usher in... the movement that David Carr of Renewal and the OSL is such an enthusiastic and heavily blinkered proponent of. 



Take note. This is what the Catholic Catechism baldly states:


"The SOLE Church of Christ which in the Creed we profess to be one, holy, catholic, and apostolic, subsists in the CATHOLIC CHURCH. which is governed by the SUCCESSOR OF PETER and by the bishops in communion with him."



DAVID CARR, RANDY CLARK AND THE 'TORONTO BLESSING'

David Carr has been on the wrong road since at least 1995, when he swallowed the demonic 'Toronto Blessing' deception hook, line and sinker, even hosting meetings at the Solihull Conference Centre with the very man who kick-started the TB in Canada, Randy Clark and so causing a great number of people to similarly embrace the "strange fire!" Concerned Christians who vigilantly handed out leaflets outside the Centre to warn of the dangers were confronted by David Carr himself, who took great exception to their stand and threatened their Pastor that he would have no hesitation in suing him if he were to print anything "derogatory" about him in his newsletter! 

Dr. Carr apparently took great delight in being "drunk in the spirit," and at one of these meetings he "wore black trousers, an open black shirt and a medallion! Later they danced the conga and had an erotic dancer on stage. And David Carr did his "John Travolta" impression. Randy Clark told people in order to receive the blessing all they had to do was not pray, as it hindered the blessing." (Source: http://www.banner.org.uk/tb/Walsall.htm )



This background story of Carr's crass reception of, belligerent defence of, and determined promotion of the thoroughly Satanic 'Toronto Blessing' experience, gives great insight into his long-time and relentless departure from "the faith which was once delivered unto the saints," leading to his Renewal Centre's enthusiastic participation in other great Satanic deceptions like the Alpha Course (hint: just take the 'o' out of 'course') and Churches Together! And his plummet into the darkest depths of delusion, with his personal creation of the Order of St. Leonard to further all manner of Rome-romancing activity, shows just how much the man has heeded, colluded with, and succumbed to seducing spirits from the Pit of Hell itself!


A LITTLE BIRDIE TOLD ME...

I am reproducing here some of David Carr's 'Tweets,' all from the 17th. October, just one week to the day after his Vatican visit. They show just how clouded his spiritual perceptions have become, and the strength of the delusion that has overtaken him and led him to the bed of the whore who sits on the seven hills...

We adopt words such as Evangelical, Pentecostal, Catholic, Charasmatic,Reformed, Sacramental, Liturgical... Why not try simply Christian!
What an incredibly naive - and also very dangerous and deceptive - statement to make! You cannot apply the term Christian to all groupings, regardless of their practice, persuasion and doctrinal position, and particularly bearing in mind what the Catholic Catechism declares about what it is to be truly "Catholic." As far as the Roman Catholic Church is concerned, the one thing that it is most definitely NOT is Christian!


Many of our doctrines only separate us on earth, they are not that important in heaven! honestly !
The downplaying of doctrine is a classic indicator of apostasy in action. Point is, Bishop Carr, doctrine separates us here on earth for a very real reason and vital purpose. Demons also have doctrines, do they not? Doctrines which they delightedly dispense to those who do not test the spirits! Sound doctrine separates the saved from the lost, and if we have held to wrong doctrine and are not saved, then we won't be in Heaven, will be? We'll have an eternity of separation from God to rue the fact that we did not pay enough heed to doctrine when we needed to in our sojourn here on Earth...


It matters not the style of our communion...do we do it? It matters not the clothes we adopt in a service,do we teach the Word..are we true
Dr. Carr, you really do need to check out the nature of the R.C. communion! Transubstantiation = the pagan practice of god-eating, the Satanic mockery of the internalization of God in man through the Third Person of the Trinity. "Style" of communion matters very, very greatly! And Dr. Carr, is it not exceedingly hypocritical to declare that the clothes worn in a service don't matter, when you love to don Roman Catholic-modelled "priestly" finery at Wroxall? So when you ask, 'Are we true?' can you not ask - and honestly answer - this question of yourself?



Christians disagree over theology, structure, practise, clothing,format, types of Bibles, creeds liturgy.. What do they agree on? Jesus!
Oh, Dr. Carr, if our theology means that we are worshipping not the true Trinitarian God of the Bible but some other bogus god, then we are NOT really Christians at all, and we are NOT in agreement on Jesus. We are effectively following an entity who has engaged in what is commonly called 'IDENTITY THEFT!' We have been turned to "another Jesus... another spirit... another gospel..." (2 Corinthians 11:4)

Error may start as a small snowball, but it steadily and inevitably increases in size and momentum on its downhill path. And so it has sadly been with the Right Reverend Dr. David Carr OSL... a salutary lesson for us all to learn from...


One more recent little 'Tweet' to conclude this tragic report of a terrible Carr crash:

What a wonderful serprise, I've been nominated and awarded a Solihull Civic Honours Award....who nominated me?
Well, it wasn't me, Bishop! When the world smiles at us and pats us warmly on the back, is it not so much "wonderful" as time to be worried about our walk? SERIOUSLY worried? If we walk in uncompromising Truth, we can expect to be hated and persecuted, not have honours bestowed upon us...

"For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God."
(John 12:43)

"Take heed that no man deceive you."
(The warning of our Lord Himself, in Matthew 24:4)


22 comments:

  1. Dr David Carr and his right hand men "Rob williams" are doggie characters I know them for more than 15years they manufacture things ,we are in the midst of depictions.

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    1. Hi! Thanks for your comment.

      "Dodgy" is a very good word to describe the Renewal operation!

      In Jesus' Name,
      Rob.

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    2. By doggie do you masonic connections?

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    3. I think doggie = dodgy?

      If it does mean Masonic involvement, I'd be more than interested to know about it! Sadly, nothing would surprise me about Carr, Renewal and the OSL.

      In Him,
      Rob.

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  2. thank you for the above article Rob. it is good to know about these associations that leaders have and which are not always seemingly in the public domain. I just struggle with what to do about being in a church with such leaders who have done so much good and where souls have been won for Christ. does one leave? so many churches have links with "churches together".

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    1. Hi, and thank you for your comment!

      I believe that the dilemma you express is one which many can sadly identify with. It is a time for us all to urgently seek out the Lord's guidance on the way forward, probably more so now than at any time previously. Things are only going to get worse, not better. Deception has now reached pandemic levels, and it is those concerned Christians who dare to ask questions of what is happening who are deemed to be unrighteous rebels and troublemakers, and yes, it is they who are denounced as being the deceivers!

      We can only seek out the Lord's will, and trust to His sure faithfulness that He will see us safely through these incredibly stormy waters.

      Every blessing, in Jesus' mighty Name,
      Rob.

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  3. Thank you for your article! Hope you do not mind that I posted it here:

    http://alertsweden.bloggo.nu/NewsINFO-Nov-21-2014/

    It is the same tragedy in Sweden!

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    1. Greetings from Wales!

      Please feel free to re-post anything you might find useful! We are very much working to the same end!

      These same tragedies are occurring the world over. It is the time of the great Falling Away from Truth.

      Every blessing, in Jesus' mighty Name,
      Rob.

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  4. I received this testimony by email from someone who was once personally involved with the Renewal Christian Centre in Solihull, and am posting it here at their request:

    For the record, this is true.

    OSL.
    DR CARR WENT TO ROME ON A WAVE OF GREAT THINGS. ( FROM THE PULPIT OF RENEWAL HE MADE MENTION OF THIS MANY TIMES AND OTHER LINED UP VISITS TO OTHER FIGURES) UPON HIS RETURN HE DID NOT WANT TO SAY TOO MUCH ABOUT IT, AS SOME WERE NOT HAPPY. HENCE THE WEB SITE WAS NEVER UPDATED. WHILST THERE HE SPOKE TO THE POPE AND MADE A BIG THING OF THE MEETING PRIVATLY.

    DR CARR, NOW IS AN ARCH BISHOP OF HIS ORDER AND LOVES HIS TITLES, AND TO MISS ONE OUT WILL BRING THE BURNING TONE OF ROB WILLIAMS.

    RENEWAL TAKE A WEEKLY COLLECTION ON TUESDAY NIGHTS FOR OSL ( WELL THEY USED TO, STILL DO I THINK?) WHICH MANY AT RENEWAL TO THIS DAY DON’T GET, AS RENEWAL ALSO TAKES LOADS OF COLLECTIONS FOR ALL SORTS OF REASONS.

    DR CARR, ORDAINS NEW MEMBERS WHO FIT A CRITIERA, OR IF HIS FRIENDS…NOT. THEY ARE BROUGHT INTO THE ORDER ON ALL LEVELS AND CAN PROGRESS. THIS REALLY HAS BEEN SANCATIONED BY THE CEEC, SO YOU ARE UNDER THERE COVERING.
    MEMEBERS PAY FEES, SO IT HAS BEEN SAID, PAY TO GET A TITLE. WHICH, IS NOT FAR OFF THE TRUTH.

    THOSE WHO ARE CLOSE WILL HEAD OFF EACH YEAR TO AFRICA OR SUCH LIKE FOR A FEW WEEKS UNDER THE TITLE OF MISSION, BUT IT CAN BE SEEN BY THEIR POSTS, IT’S A DAM GOOD HOILDAY.

    DR CARR CLAIMS OSL WILL BE THE NEXT BIG THING AND ALSO STATED THAT THE C.O.E WILL BRING THEM IN, WITH THE HELP OF HIS FRIEND THE ARCHBISHOP OF YORK.

    DR CARR HAS HAD MEETINGS WITH SOME BISHOPS OF THE C.O.E, ONE, BISHOP OF MANCHESTER.

    JJOHN IS IN THE ORDER AND SO IS A CHRIS BOWATER ( SEE THE OSL WEB SITE)

    AS YOUR ARTICLE AND HE STATES, COME TO THE PARTY IN YOUR OWN CLOTHES, WE WONT JUDGE YOU.

    DR CARR ALSO LIKENS HIMSELF TO MOSES AND THE APOSTLE PAUL. ( NEVER SAID THAT BUT…) NUMEROUS TIMES IN THE SERVICES AT RENEWAL HE HAS MADE MENTION HE SPEAKS IN MORE TOUNGUES THAN ANYONE ELSE ( APOSTLE PAUL) AND THAT THE TWO NEW GUYS AT HIS SIDE NOW, WILL HOLD HIM UP. ( MOSES)
    THE CHURCH REALLY BELIEVE HE HIS THE ANNOITED MAN OF GOD AND GOD SPEAKS TO HIM AS SUCH.
    OF COURSE, HE IS ALSO SEEN AND HE HAS SAID, HE IS THE FATHER OF THE HOUSE.

    PETER JENKINS WAS KICKED OUT OF RENEWAL WHEN A DR JOHN ANDREWS CAME ON BOARD (AOG SCHOOL. MATTERSLEY, DIRECTOR NOW) WHO WAS ALSO BOOTED OUT LAST YEAR.

    PETER JENKINS RAN TO THE OLD CATHLOC CHURCH, WHO MADE HIM A BISHOP. JENKINS LAY ON THE FLOOR IN THEIR CHURCH, BEFORE THE ALTER AND A HUGE SERVICE WAS HAD. DR CARR WAS NOT TOO HAPPY, EVEN THOUGH HE ATTENDED AND SPOKE.

    TWO YEARS AGO A SPECIAL COLLECTION WAS HAD, ( AT RENEWAL) UNDER THE TITLE OF “WHAT IF”, QUARTER OF A MILLION WAS RAISED ON A ONE OFFERING AND WENT MAINLY ON WAGES. THIS PAST YEAR THEY DID IT AGAIN, UNDER ANOTHER TITLE AND GOT IN OVER £360.000.

    DON’T FORGET THEY HAVE 3 SERVICES ON SUNDAYS, 3 COLLECTIONS, OSL COLLECTION EVERY TUESDAY. BUILDING OFFERING ONCE A MONTH AND THIS NEW MONEY EARNER FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS. THIS IS WITHOUT THE SATALTE CHURCHES.

    MANY HAVE LEFT, MANY YOUNG HAVE COME.MMMM

    THEY SPENT £40.000 ON A NEW FOYER, WHICH NOW LOOKS LIKE A COSTA COFFEE SHOP. LEADERS WERE TOLD TO PROMOTE IT AFTER A BACK LASH FROM SOME.

    THEY ALSO HAVE A CORPORATE SIDE AND USE THE CHURCH BUIDLING BETWEEN THE BOTH.

    DR CARR DOES SEEK PUBLIC RECONIGATION ( WONT SAY THAT…BUT) AND ITS THOUGHT HE IS AFTER AN MBE OR SUCH LIKE.
    HE INVITES MANY IN POSTIONS OF AUTHORITY TO HIS CHRISTAMS PLAYS AT RENEWAL AND BOASTS ABOUT THIS.

    HE IS ALSO A LEAD CHAPLIAN AT SOLIHULL HOSPITAL.

    WE COULD GO ON AND ON.

    I WILL SAY RENEWAL DO A LOT OF GOOD, BUT ARE FROM TEACHING THE GOSPEL AS LAID OUT BY SCRIPTURE.

    (Name and email address supplied - Rob)

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  5. It is now said that they are planning a 7 million pound revamp of the site where Renewal is.

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    1. As it is written, "Except the Lord build the house, they labour in vain that build it." (Psalm 127:1)

      This would be nothing but a 7 million pound offering not to God's work but to David Carr's insatiable ego...

      In Him,
      Rob.

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  6. Yep, building another off shoot in chelmsley Wood. £250.000 not enough by all accounts.

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    1. Big egos sure do require big bucks...

      If you'll excuse the pun, can anyone really afford to keep running this Carr?

      In Him,
      Rob.

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  7. Well I was right. OBE has now been gained. Knight hood next?

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    1. Hi Disciple!

      Yes, I can see him smiling in his sleep as he dreams of hearing the words "Arise, Sir David!" And after that? Well, the title Lord Wroxall has quite a ring to it...

      Best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  8. He already has a spot in the grounds at Wroxall for his body when he dies. We can all go and see the tomb stone where the Archbishop has been placed.
    Enough said

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  9. Whoever wrote this is ill informed, uneducated and ignorant.

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    1. Hmmm... Maybe not quite as ill-informed, uneducated and ignorant as Dr. David Carr...

      In Him,
      Rob.

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  10. If there is error, please inform where that error is? I think you will find this is not Ill informed or ignorant. So please, inform us where the error is? I presume you sit a the top table and have insight to all?

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    1. Quite so, Disciple! What has been presented here are the facts of the matter. One really has to ask the question, who is it in reality who is the ill-informed and ignorant one here?

      Blind leaders, blind followers... Counter-Reformationists heading for the Vatican's diseased ditch!

      Best wishes in Him,
      Rob.

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  11. if you haven't the guts to discuss your concerns face to face with Pastor Dave, it is both immature and cowardly (not to mention a breach of the commandment not to bear false witness against your neighbour) to spread malicious speculations and gossip which are all too easily devoured by those of your readership who evidently don't live in glass houses. You know neither the man nor his ministry, and your insinuations and glaringly inaccurate "reporting" smack more of the pit than any desire to speak truth in love. May God forgive you for your mean spirited comments. What He will NOT forgive is blasphemy against the Person of the Holy Spirit.

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    1. What false witness? What inaccuracy? What blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?

      I will only say that you need to examine the evidence. Yes, evidence! Of things done in public, not in private, please note! The OSL, the Vatican visit, the convergence movement... Now, where really lies the false witness?

      Sincerely in Him,
      Rob.

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